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republican party behind him. let's hope that those negotiations yield some results. >> bill: josh, kevin mccarthy told maria two things that stuck out to me. he said there must be caps on spending. he is not giving in on that. and then he said a clean debt ceiling will never pass. that suggests that republicans are still united. >> absolutely. that much, bill, has been clear since january. that is the thing i don't understand. it took the president 104 days to begin wrapping his mind around the fact that a clean debt ceiling could never pass. not would, could never pass a house republican congress. of course it can't. he needed to negotiate all the way through. the spending caps piece i think is the easiest thing for democrats to wrap their minds around here. you aren't talking about specific cuts they oppose. it is about setting thresholds and caps they can work underneath and further negotiate spending through the appropriations process.