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for portland and the state of oregon. >> bill: tough to hear. back to the drawing board. >> dana: beautiful day there, too. awaiting the supreme court's ruling on biden's student loan bail-out. the controversial bill would forgive borrowers of up to $20,000 in loans. we're joined by two borrowers. riva, who supports loan forgiveness and michelle who is against the idea. great to have you. people have strong feelings. michelle, why are you against the loan forgiveness? >> i'm someone who would personally financially benefit from something like this. as an american i don't believe they should be given handouts. it estimated it will take me ten years and it is my responsibility. >> dana: the average student loan debt by age 24 and younger,

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