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going to show up, but if president trump is not a factor and he's not there, that should be an avenue, right, an opening to be able to talk about the economy. >> you've got to connect. vivek ramaswamy is connecting. others who are more experienced politicians are still in the single digits, and that includes the former vice president. i think people are not looking for experience so much, they are looking for people quick on their feet, not a scared of sitting down with journalists like us and seen issues with desantis from the get-go, his campaign stumbled out of the gate. vivek ramaswamy has moved up. someone will move up. a lot of people will be watching the debate and if they talk about the economy they are going to win some points but they have to connect with voters and desantis has yet to do that. >> john: desantis gets prickly when he's challenged. vivek ramaswamy the other day when he was approached by the pansexual individual had a nice discussion with them, they shook hands and they both walked away satisfied that they aired their positions. let me come back to the