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a real shutdown. it's very bizarre. >> yeah. i think his terse no comment. that question was shouted a couple of times it wasn't if there wasn't a moment to realize this is somewhat they are talking about and big catch up play after that. and then karine jean-pierre came out the next day. we are taking this super seriously. the president is going to go there. this is one of the moments in a presidency where he is playing catch up. goes to the question of how attune he is to what is going on and how well he is able to communicate. >> bret: yeah, kelly anne? >> one of the most important things that a commander-in-chief and president does which is show up promptly owe emotionally. you don't always have the answers. people are suffering. are you getting in the way? you can't take critical resources and divert them away to welcome a president or vice president or first lady. in this case the split screen presidency of joe biden was in sharp when it came to hawaii.