check out varney on fbn. martha: beyond that, uncle sam's debt is growing by the second, as you know from looking at that clock, our debt stands at -- take a look at the number above our heads, bill, $14.1 trillion. but the devil, they say, is always in the details, folks. according to the new white house budget, interest payments on that debt, just the interest, is going to quadruple in the next ten years under that budget plan for ten years and that leaves every single one of us paying more than $2500 a year just to cover the interest on the national debt. pretty sad picture. bill: wow. a lot of smart people trying to figure out how to handle this. because the debt is with us for a long time. so what do you think? our you describe poll asks the following: what's the best approach to help the economy? fifty-two thousand have voted so far and 93 percent say cut the spending, attack the decifit. you can vote right now, foxnews.com.