it's zulu for father. and he is a father of this country in profound ways. you get the sense that they are remembering and grieving in a celebratory fashion a father figure. people said that to me directly. and crass the tribal lines, the racial lines, he is the dad -- across the tribal lines, the racial lines, he is the dad. going back it his early days when he game that famous speech at his trial and confronted the court saying, "i have fought against white domination, and i have fought against black domination." he said, "it's a cause for which i'm willing to live to achieve, if need be, it's a cause for which i'm willing to die for." one of the winter things about that that people for-- of the important things about that that people forget is that at the time the anc's rainbow policy was not the dominant movement in black south african politics.