take more than one term. probably takes more than one president. the one thing i've prided myself on before i was president and it turns out that continues to be true as president, i'm a persistent son of a gun. >> you think that plays well? >> i think it does. i think people like to see somebody who if he's not a fighter, because that's not part of his temperament, is at least very persistent, keeps pressing the issue, as he has on jobs all fall even when the republicans obstructed him, he kept at it. that's how you win these elections. you have to stay in there, be a political survivor. i think he showed in 2008 when he had a long struggle in the primaries with hillary clinton that he could be a dogged campaigner. and it will serve him well. but don't underestimate where all these clownish republican activities, don't underestimate how hard it is to win a presidential election when you have 8% or 9% unemployment.