republican establishment that links to the bushes, the last two republican presidents, right? >> right. >> they're all actually like deciding who's going to be the nominee. then there's this circuses for you rubs in the base. >> and the media who cover those people. >> i'm not saying you rubes from the base, i'm saying the people behind the closed doors were talking about jeb bush, looking out at the iowa caucusgoer, and are saying, are you thinking about this process? you have no control of this process. >> i will say, though, look, we've been talking -- there have been predictions for years and years and decades even about the moment the movement will take over the republican party again. 2010 certainly after the tea party, everyone thought it was going to happen, right? if you fast forward to 2014, the republicans made big gains again in the midterms with mostly establishment candidates.
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