wedding photographer who said i want to use this to try troost i don't have to do a wedding. you lose the thing we have been so excited all week doesn't have anything to do with that interesting question which is should we compel somebody who is providing a business service to do something they don't want to. al i don't think we should. i don't think that's the way you persuade people. the culture has moved towards gay marriage. the side that wants legal recognition has won. okay. so and it's won mostly through culture and through this -- persuasion. once you start knocking people in the head with that that ceases to become persuasive in my view. these don't have anything to do with that. >> christine, i hear her trying to get in. >> i want to make sure people understand, though, that the law passed or attempted too passed in indiana is very different