as you indicated. it seems to most of us. the question is what happened in that van after he is placed inside? we don't know. we can't see. you talked about yesterday a camera in the back that doesn't record. we do know, though, there was another man detained in that same van who will be a valuable witness in all this. >> reporter: well, i'm not sure how valuable. by one account i have, the two individual in the back of the van can't see each other. so they're separate bid some sort of a divider. so listen that's all a part of this as well. i got to tell you, willie, there is a big difference of opinion as to where this injury occurred. did it occur at the moment of arrest or in the van and was he thrashing about inside the van? you may recall the driver stopped the van because he said that mr. dprai was becoming irate. >> was he being irate because he couldn't breathe, because he was already starting to go limp? we don't know the answers to all. that we know he repeatedly asked