with their congressmen. i think that's going to be an issue for her. >> thank you very much. i'm sure we'll check in with you again. before break, i want top ask you, in your position as head of the national urban league, you've dealt with things on a national, federal, state, local level. when it comes to the reparations of the city of baltimore, who do you think ought to lead from a political perspective, lead the charge there? >> i think the mayor is the person who should lead the charge. i do believe that the mayor can only serve as an orchestra conductor. she needs her congressional delegation. she needs her city council. she needs her state legislative delegation. she needs cooperation from the governor. i discourage anyone from trying to score political points. these sort of public relation victories can be short-lived. what is in front of baltimore is a very difficult task to heal the community, what's in front of baltimore is a long process