aspects or the aspects of religion that don't work for them. >> i wonder the ways, when it is an actual institution how an institutional change can shift. i was saying, my husband is catholic. my daughter is catholic. this particular pope, this papacy makes me think i wonder if i have a tradition. because in an institution, any part of institutional change can feel so compelling. >> one thing about pope francis, he talks about his image of church. listen to this. he once said the church is dirty, bruised and broken because it's been in the ministry and closed its on small-minded rules. that's not the church young people see quite honestly. even as a young catholic, close eyes they imagine the priest, the bishop. they don't imagine themselves. young people don't imagine themselves within the church. that should be the reality of the catholic church. >> all is still different, i don't want to miss the claim though that, so for all various roles that the church is