his wonderful service to the country and to his administration, and what that does, number two, is begins to send the signals to his supporters, take a look at me. i'm a friend of the guy you liked in joe biden. so, you know, come my way. when you don't make those steps, pretty much to what e.j. was saying, you tend to lose that support. it tends to go elsewhere rather rapidly. and given the lack of support he has among african-americans, joe biden could be very helpful there. the lack of support he has among those folks on the fence between him and hillary, this type of misstep, i think, will come back to bite him. >> let's look at a poll and see what happens when you take joe biden out of it. hillary clinton goes up to 58%. that's the kind of number you can use the word prohibitive with as a lead. bernie sanders, 33%.