spain and official sources quoted by news organizations in spain, it looks as if from what we're able to piece together this looks more like a terrible -- another terrible act, another terrible deliberate act and not something that has happened accidentally. >> and, keir, joining us now, jim cavanaugh, msnbc law enforcement analyst. jim, this has all the earmarks of something very, very terrible. with this low tech weapon of a van. >> well, right, andrea. this vehicle attack has become the crime du jour of terrorists worldwide. stockholm, nice, london, berlin, barcelona, charlottesville. and they learn through the vicarious experience of others and they have seen the carnage it can wreak. and also what we're seeing here, like keir reported, we don't have the absolute facts. we know spanish police are calling it an attack. but you have a rental van.