white, southern soldier. a grunt leaning southward. it's about failure and defeat. about a region that lost. they go after that one, they're making a mistake. that's my hunch. if the progressives think that has something to do with slavery, i think they lose on that one. >> we still have time. i also say this. if there's a canary in the mine, look at justin fairfax. you have an african-american male that's running for lieutenant governor in the state. he says we have to look at this in a case-by-case basis. >> case-by-case. >> he has said -- moved slightly left to a place where he might be in a good place. he said these monuments should stay and be put in historic context. that's the position. >> i'm not sure that will win. the round table is sticking with us. up next, these people tell me something i don't know. this is "hardball," where the