pardoning them, you know, in his mind, he might think that that kind of puts him in the clear. >> ken dilanian, let's pull the lens out a little bit and just talk about in the last week, it's been quite a blockbuster week for mr. mueller and his team. what does that tell you about where they are in this investigation and what might happen next? >> just before i get to that, one thing on the pardons, the new york attorney general is investigating paul manafort. so that would be -- that is not a case that donald trump can pardon if state charges are brought. but absolutely, kasie, the momentum is picking up in this investigation and it's very clear. and that indictment of 13 russians that laid out how the russians, at least in part, how the russians meddled in the election and laid out a grand conspiracy, that essentially