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their side but they really are in a very different position so donald trump will find himself just like any other defendant, particularly any other sort of white collar defendant, where, yes, he can afford a very good legal team, but he's not going to be calling the shots the way he is used to when he's either the head of the trump organization or the president of the united states >> we're not expecting a mug shot we just got that information, but you were nodding when we were listening to andrea say for many of the folks who have been ceos or anyone else in a position of power, they're not used to ceding that power. that goes for whether you're in the courtroom and your legal team is telling you what to do, the judge is telling you what to do, or your security team is telling you what to do is that what the nod was for >> giuliani, in his day, when he was a prosecutor, understood the impact of the perp walk. the perp walk.