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something to that effect i made the right decision fo five years ago >> and the way that she relaye to you, where the presiden called the vice president, and i apologize for being in place but you remember what she said her father called him? >> the p word. >> a wimp, the p-word. those are the ways that then vice president of the united states said for that vic president. when the moment came, penc prepared to do what his oath and u.s. constitution required him to do, and that was when a mob of violent trump supporter began to descend on th capitol. president trump tweeted out on final missive about his vice president. mike pence did not have th courage to do what should've been done. the mob got the message. >> i'm telling you, what i'm hearing them just caved.