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in the months that followed, and activity by congress, the justice department, or whomever. there is really not a lot of that afterwards. >> andrew, obviously i should say that this is a civil lawsuit, julianna denies this investigation. it doesn't mean those claims are true. in this case, it's also possible that rudy giuliani said the things that he is alleged to have said to dunfee, and was just talking a big game that was not true. given all of that, it's a striking allegation to say that the president of the united states was in cahoots with his associates to sell pardons and split the profits. but >> yes, it is striking. it may, in fact be corroborated. to mike's point, you would expect the department of justice and georgia to be looking into this is a correct one. it remains to be seen whether this is a strong the breaks the camels back, because it's not -- the pardon is one allegation.