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then others that are to follow including the one in manhattan that has already been returned. how are they going to view the totality of these charges against mr. trump and the impact that it's going to have on his political fortunes. >> let me ask you a question about the department of justice, just institutional. my colleague rachel maddow's made an excellent point before about a public integrity unit inside the police department of justice for reason, and the reason is that people interested with people's power commit crimes, and in fact it's not some shocking anomaly to see somebody who's elected office, governor ron blagojevich, the mayor of detroit, numerous and sundry alderman in the city of chicago when i was there. it was almost a weekly occurrence. joking only slightly. there is a culture of public integrity cases in the department of justice, and this is obviously a difference in kind, but in some ways also difference a degree.