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mean, to the extent that there is a leading fascist intellectual in america, the seed is being planted and somewhat fertile soil for a bunch of reasons. and i wonder if you could talk a little bit about why that's the case. there is the fact that world war i was brutal and awful, and there's an interesting thing that happens in both this book and ultra. which is that people who totally understandably and reasonably were like, wow, that was a disaster, being kind of prepared to be like, we're never doing that again, and that posture, which is not at all a crazy posture, a totally rational posture, being the kind of a slippery slope by which they end up in, first, isolationism, and then outright fascism -- you have the depression, and then you have this sense of, like, the brokenness of the american system, slash, the messiness of democracy. all three of those things are