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criminal conspiracy to thwart the very foundation of democracy. the transfer of power. we heard this argument with the select committee again and again and again. witnesses who would say, this is executive privilege. it's part of my official responsibility. you, congress, can't reach it. and the consistent response that we made is the same response that jack smith is making to the supreme court. that is not everything that you do is connected to your official responsibility. it just can't be that absolutely everything is part of being the president of the united states. there's a zone of official responsibility and then there's a zone beyond that. and that is what the special the counsel is arguing. this is the precise question for the supreme court. >> here's the thing. there's the presidency and then there's democracy. here's part of what jack is arguing. to the extent that concern about chilling president is implicated, the prospect of prosecution for knowingly criminal acts can have a not a chilling effect.