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to be debatesthis fall, let alone debates that would include a third party candidates. but here's clearly longing for the opportunity to go toe-to-toe, face to face with donald trump. and i think if he saw an avenue that would get him the, i think it have some interest in it. but the viability question, with no labels, ballot access. he's saidthe unpredictability -- >> go toe-to-toe to stick it to donald trump, withthe threat of actually giving it to donald trump. if you look at the four party members, they're not insignificant. they are carly an issue, potentially, in this campaign, in the general. rfk junior, 20%. cornell west, 14. jill stein, chris christie, someone else, i'm not sure. that's incredibly volatile. for this stage of the game. when you are talking about an incumbent president and a former president.