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it has not been for him a place of last reso much is a place of con quarrel. conflict in courts is not bad for him, it is how he does business. nbc legal analyst -- the former deputy assistant general for the justice department's national security division, and the co-host of one of my favorite podcasts, prosecuting donald trump. the reason i wanted to have conversation tied to this politico piece is because there is trump himself, and then there is what his vision of the justice system has meant for those who carry his water and the ways that they are reimagining it as a tool to make leverage for himself. >> this piece really expose this whole decades long process of mr. trump co-opting the legal system for his own purposes, and what was interesting is that, whether he won or lost in the individual case, he portrayed that as a win, like he always does, through everything. but i think what this really