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room but at what cost to her university? now you see these arrests at columbia that have only redoubled the protests. >> the police, even the police have said these kids were doing nothing. >> this is remarkable. you kind of see this is exactly the situation the presidents of harvard and pan and mit were trying to avoid when they refused to say that the phrase from the river to the sea violates school rules because minouche shafik was so eager not to go down that same path, she instead committed think to this extreme and this extreme level of discipline with little precedent in recent years that has certainly not calmed down the situation on her campus. >> do you have some sense the situation will improve anytime soon? >> it doesn't look like it. the protests are still going on. you have large numbers of faculty who have no confidence