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so the clayborn decision, the counter decision are two important decisions. my important decision is the fifth. we hope that is never used again. hopefully it will get overturned. i've been to the supreme court twice in the so louisiana supreme court once. the fifth court twice. with three opinions. this is been a long saga. i hope that this will end soon. >> talked about this long saga. i wanted to talk about the toll that is taking on you personally. your activism over the last eight years. i think i would argue that some of this is to grind you down so to speak. so you do not keep fighting. the chilling effect for other people out there that might want to follow in your footsteps. or be inspired by your action. hold up. wait a minute. i do not want to end up like what is happening to deray mckesson . >> yes. you know, i been speaking to organizers of the fifth circuit. they are nervous. i keep