guy sucks, it is always us and them there is no us. there is no bridge building. there is always moats a what the point are both parties out of luck? you go down this road time and time again. ross perot, a full-on crack pot nearly bim the president of the united states. and that was long before we got to this level of dissatisfaction. >> that is right. 18%, leading the polls at points. the nbc poll that came out this week i think indicates that people, unlike 1994 when they liked the republicans about to vote for them they don't like any of these guess. i guess we all want to move on from mike dukakis, the point he is making is that he feels deja vu, not these giving advice to the white house, he feels this is another situation where it should be on be veryious that things are terrible it is both these guys' fault, maybe the democrats have a better argument, just the election is going to be turning on the president's look of emotion perhaps instead of economic indicators. i think let's stop joking about the guy for main, that is