you negotiate peace with your enemies. and it's been a policy of u.s. foreign -- a principle of u.s. foreign policy for a long time that we talk not just with the party in power but also with opposition parties. we did that historically for many years. particularly i remember on my watch when the soviet union was in -- was falling apart. and we made sure we were -- we talked to opposition parties. i think it's very important to do that. i'm not one who believes that somehow we're giving up something by talking to people we disagree with. if you know what you're doing, you're not giving up anything. and i think it's important to talk to them. that doesn't mean you agree with them. that doesn't mean you cave in to their demands or their desires. >> i want to turn to domestic issues. of course there's a new white house chief of staff, bill daley, someone you have known, someone you have sparred with. i want to cite from an article of newsweek in november of 2000. it said daley in some ways was a working class version of jim