and, you know, collective bargaining versus not. >> that's a great point, michael. but what is the balance when you want to fundamentally change collective bargaining in america? that's both what these gentlemen are concerned about and they feel like they've been under attack as middle class americans. it's not the democrats. it's the republicans. >> it's a legitimate -- well, republican leadership that's in place and where these issues are coming up, you know, i can't speak for what's going on specifically in florida and ohio, you know, i've got my own issues here in maryland with the democratic governor but my point is this. if i could, ed, real quick. >> yeah. >> i think it's important that these gentlemen, and they've made it very clear, their frustration and concern, and i think the governors in both of those states are going to be paying much more attention as we get to future budget discussions. >> garrett and michael, does chairman steele, former chairman steele, his response to what we were just talking about ease your mind at all?