still the worst? >> i would say, go back to josh's first point, chris. which was, people forget. biden in 1987 was a pretty hot commodity. this is a guy elected to the senate. young. he was someone who was seen who could win. i agree with josh as newt. spectacular but ultimately, did we think he was going to be a nominee at that point in '87 with all the -- a case to be made that joe biden was among the strongest, if not the strongest democratic candidate. i would say, given the state, i think it matters. it doesn't reach the level what we saw with gingrich over the last 30 days. >> in fairness, i like joe biden. ap good guy personally. the guy was always attributing what he was saying to this british labor -- a great quote and one day -- didn't say great quote. what are you pretending? you're a welsh coal miner? daring him to say what they could find out about his private life. the married senator with model actress donna rice ended. you start on this, that picture, the monkey business, and a serious politician who thought in was that old divide for the days of kennedy, i guess, that journalists didn't cover this