kind of company. i would say she needs to really appreciate that it's her that they're going to invest in and she needs to meet people. i would not discount friends and family or attorneys or accountants to start that conversation. because the personal relationships here i think are very important. yes, she can get an idea on the website, they need to know you. and you need to know them. >> my friend who is one of the most networked guys i have ever met told me he goes for two coffees a week with somebody he doesn't know. if those run dry he goes on linked in. that's where you can find investors also. let's move on to the last question, this is about a lack of funding. >> i've been in business for 32 years. and my big question is why can't small businesses get any capitalization? banks are just not lending. i've never seen it like this in my entire business career. >> mary's not the only one saying she's having a hard time