pakistan as well as the region, uzbekistan has terrorists that found safe haven in afghanistan before. i think that's spilled over into the rest of the world, smft. >> where should the fight be, general mccaffrey? in the white house there seems to be a very strong view that the focus on afghanistan and counter insurgency against the taliban might be misguided. we went to war after 9/11 to take out al qaeda and they don't appear to be there in big numbers in afghanistan. >> i think he set the argument up correctly. the answer we shouldn't debate is 40,000 troops. you have the giant nation, 32 million people, it is 500 miles from the sea, which complicates matters. the lostistic lines go through pakistan. the question is do we have resolve to build a viable state in afghanistan, and that's a function, not just a troop thing. having said all that, there's 25,000 taliban on the ground now as the unclassified number we are talking about.