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see how far he can delay and if a republican, whether him or somebody else, can get into office and either issue a pardon, if there is a conviction, or just tell the justice department to drop. and that is his best shot. >> we don't think he is going to plea, he is not the playing type. also other people -- actually looking at prison, that is something that happens. >> it is, but he would have to go under oath and admit what he did. he would have to accept responsibility. i don't think donald trump is capable of -- >> he lacks the ability in his sort of soul to do that. and then it becomes time, as christy, said you and i were discussing it earlier. >> i would only amend to say i agree, i don't think he would plead before the election. if he does lose and he is facing prison time, if he has proven very keen on his own self-interest, and there may be prosecutors, we don't know doj, the prosecutors given all the