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Transcripts For MSNBCW The 20240704

Weve reached the end of another week of high profile and historic legal troubles for former president , donald trump. He now faces 91 charges across four indictments. The latest in georgia, where he has yet to turn himself in. Law enforcement there is planning for trump to surrender no earlier than thursday of next week. Thats according to three sources familiar with the plan, they stress, nothings official just yet. Trump and the 18 codefendants in fani williss case have exactly one week to voluntary surrender in Fulton County. Earlier today, Georgia Republican governor, brian kemp, spoke a lot about what he thought the georgia case might go to trial. In my opinion, this trial, despite what theyre thinking for anybody else, it is not going to happen before the election. That comment poses trumps team is trying to push back the federal election in two nearly three years from. Now today, we also learned that Kenneth Chesebro, the trump ally who allegedly thought up the Fake Electors scheme is with codefendants in georgia appears to have been on the Capitol Grounds on january 6th. Thats according to publicly available video, and his former mentor. He previously invoked the fifth when asked by the january Six Committee where he was during the first week of january 2021. Theres no indication that he went into the capital building, or was in any way violent. Those lawyers declined to comment. Speaking of january 6th, federal prosecutors are speaking attentions of 33 years in federal prison for the former proud boys his actions surrounding the insurrection of the capital. I mean, while it has been a busy day for the current President Joe Biden, he will come to leaders from japan and south korea to a summit at camp david, and announce agreements aimed at bringing the countries closer together. Theres not much of anything i agree on with my predecessor, on Foreign Policy. His America First policy, walking away from the rest of the world breaks us weaker and not stronger. America is strong with our allies and our alliances. With, that lets bring in our lead off panel, jonathan allen, Senior National politics reporter for nbc, amna nawaz, ill anchor on Cbs News Hour and and former federal prosecutor, renato mariotto, whos also a Legal Affairs columnist for politico magazine. Renato, we expect trump to turn himself into Georgia Authorities sometime late next week. What is that going to look like . Then what happens after that . Well, its going to look a little different than it has in some of these other cases. The feds made some concessions, there wasnt a mugshot, for example. There wasnt a lot of the usual booking questions that you might expect. I think the reason given was that they knew who he was. Hes easily recognizable. None of those corners are going to be done in Fulton County. Its going to be circus. I think trump is going to revel in that circus. The challenge for him is that with all of the destructions hes trying to pull, at the end of the day, the this atlanta case, this Fulton County case, its ultimately going to be impacting the other cases he has. The January 6th Case that jack smith has ultimately is a lot of overlap with this atlanta case. What i actually expect that ultimately hes going to find that a lot of the witnesses that testified are not going to be as enthusiastic about testifying. I think hes got a more difficult road ahead than him and his team let me ask you about that, renata, that Governor Kemp thinks this is going to be protected for into the future . I dont disagree with him in the sense that fani willis threw the book at donald trump. 19 defendants. Every count imaginable. Rico has been charged. Thats a very complex sprawling case. Jack smith had a totally different approach. Fani willis is using a sledgehammer. Jack smith used a scalpel. One defendant. Very narrowly drawn charges. Carved around some of the complications you might have with the First Amendment on it incitement, things like that. Didnt even include mark meadows in that indictment. Not only could he have charged him, you wont find him referenced. I think he wants to use him as a witness. He is trying to get that to trial quickly. So, very different approaches. Unfortunately for trump, he has to face both of them at the same time. Thats the challenge for him and his team, to try to fight the war. John, the other piece of big trump news today, Kenneth Chesebro appears to have been outside the Capitol On January 6th has also been indicted. But we need to know about him and the role he played . Absolutely alicia, the important thing about chesebro has not only been indicted in georgia, but believed to be one of the unindicted coconspirators in the jacks midJanuary 6th Case. The reason hes so important in these trials is he was the guy who came up with the Fake Electors scheme, according to the January 6th Committee. They had said that he basically gave stepbystep instructions to the Fake Electors on how to do their job. The New York Times unearthed the memo in which he had originally suggested this idea to put together Fake Electors. Even though he said it was likely unconstitutional, he believed it could create the kinds of delays and chaos that might help overturn some of the results. Renato, the fact that he pled the fifth when he was talking to the January 6th Committee about where he was in january of 2021, and the fact that now you have this video, i imagine investigators will be interested that chesebro appears to have been outside the Capitol On January 6th. One of the questions it raises for investigators . Well, look, it was just mentioned a moment ago, he was the architect of the scheme. A memo that was recently unearthed in which he basically told the trump team, i am not recommending this strategy. But here is a strategy you could employ. By the way, you know your lawyer is recommending something thats very questionable when hes not even willing to tell you that he recommends, or he would suggest or advise that you undertake what he has said in court, right . Here, the fact that hes there in the capital suggests his allegiance to this plan. Hes endorsing the plan, which by the way, you mentioned mr. A moment ago, a plan termed very violent. A plan that involved not only people being hurt, but some people dying, and actually plans for violence that day. I have to think that his legal team has to be very concerned. Thats why i said that interplay, i dont think hes going to be a witness in that jack smith case for donald trump. For anyone who has lost count, this is trumps forced indictment. What has the reaction for leaders in both parties . Alicia, i do think its worth repeating the numbers you said at the top of the segment. 91 charges for indictments. I think we cannot say enough just how remarkable this moment is. Because there is a little bit of a tendency to become the new indictment, new charges, we know the political arguments that come out of this. Particularly on the republican side. This is really extraordinary. I do encourage folks to go out and read the full details, in particular, of the georgia indictment. Its a real portrait of an extraordinary concerted intentional effort to illegally overturn the results of a democratic election. But to your question, the political conversation has largely been the same. Weve seen the Biden Administration remain at an arms length, plus some, away from any of this. They knew dont answer any questions related to anything having to do with the Department Of Justice or the special counsels investigations. They want those to be seen, and continue to be seen as completely independent of any political motivations or this administration. On the republican side, weve also seen a pretty consistent response. While there have been a few outliers, particularly among the other republican president ial candidates, chris christie, most notably, a south hutchinson, to a bit, will hurd also to some extent. Largely, their response has been to echo the response of mr. Trump. Which is to say all of these investigations are politically motivated. They are unjustified, this is the weaponization of government against the president ial nominee. I think we will continue to see that, just because they are not willing to speak up against mr. Trump. To hammer him that hard, you said. Also, lets remind those, this helps mr. Trump. Weve only seen in his laid among his president ial rivals hello with each indictment and overtime as each month has gone by. The fact that they would extend over several more months into another year or two, it works to his political benefit if history is a guide. John, thats certainly what weve been hearing from trump world. I know youve been reporting on that. I also want to ask you about trump, today continuing his baseless offense of on truth social calling the indictments bogus, calling President Biden crooked. He also calls all the civil criminal cases saying, quote, Election Interference which is rich. Is anyone in his circle telling him to tone it down . I dont think it really matters whether they tell him to tone it down. In fact, my experience with the people closest to him is that they tend to not do that, because they know it may tell him to tone it down, hes going to do the exact opposite. Right now, hes in a political fight that is going in his favor. If anybody other than donald trump, if youre anybody who wasnt under four indictments, you would look at his lead in the polls right now and say that not only was he a prohibitive favorite, its a wonder why anyones competing. The answers to why people are competing is that they think its possible he will fall under his own weight. I dont see trump peeling back. I do think that there is some level of his lawyers being able to encourage him to not make his case worse. We did see him call off a monday press conference, and they plan to go through some of what he says is the last evidence of fraud, of course there is no evidence thats come forward yet. He was going to do a press on, that we saw President Biden at camp david today announcing these agreements between the United States, japan, south korea. What else can you tell us about that . What is the white house looking to accomplish . One of the things to point out about this really historic meeting, which is the first time these three leaders have met independently of any larger International Gathering where theyve met on the sidelines. Is it took place at camp david. Which is an absolutely storied location. Were talking about the likes of winston churchill, who have been hosted there. This was intended to send a very clear message about a very Strong Partnership that the u. S. Wants. The priority that this holds on the administrations agenda for action. That is a message really intended for china. And also to some degree to north korea. Both south korea and japan are obviously within the danger zone, geographically, when it comes to north koreas rocket capabilities. But they are also very concerned, and if pushed back against chinas growing geographic influence in the region. So mr. Biden hailed this what he calls a new era of partnership, and a more formalized Alliance Working together not just on economic issues, but also on issues of national security. Economically, that means theyre going to share more economic data. Theyre going to serve as each others Early Warning systems when it comes to supply chain disruptions, and the like. They will better coordinate on long term plans for military exercises, and this is really President Biden squarely in his legal house. Right on the Foreign Policy front at a time of international crisis. Everyone has hailed his efforts to rally. All the nato allies in response to russias active aggression and active war in ukraine. The pivot to asia, thats definitely u. S. Administrations have tried to make hasnt really happened yet. Its a bit of a Foreign Policy goal. This is the Biden Administrations push to try to make that happen. That brings us back also to his original gambit for running for president , challenges abroad, challenges at home. A candidate who is able to take over on day one. John allen, amna nawaz, renato mariotto, thank you so much for getting us started. Coming up, it looks like donald trump has decided not to shop at the first republican debate. We are going to discuss what that means for the front runner, and the rest of the 2024 field with carlos curbelo, and Victoria Defrancesco. Later, President Biden heads to maui on monday. Where over 100 people have died from devastating wildfires. We are going to talk to the red cross about what they have seen on the ground, and what people need most. The 11th hour, just getting underway on friday night. Wow, you get to watch all your favorite stuff. Its to die for. And its all right here. Streaming was never this easy, you know. This is the way. You really went all out didnt you . Um, its called commitment. Could you turn down the volume . Here, you can try. Get way more into what your into when you stream on the xfinity 10g network. After weeks of anticipation, donald trump has decided not to attend the first republican primary debate next week. Instead, two sources familiar with the situation tell nbc news that trump is aiming for an interview with none other than tucker carlson. As a way of counter programming the fox news debate. As of now, nothing is formally set. Back with us tonight, Victoria Defrancesco, the dean of the school of Public Service at the university of arkansas. And former florida republican, congressman carlos curbelo. Victoria, for weeks now, weve been asking, will he, wont he. I havent had a Single Person who said yes hes going to show up at this debate. Ivan had a Single Person who said yes it i think its a good idea for him to show up at this debate. But now that were in the moment, where we know definitively he is not showing up, not only is he not going to show up, but hes going to counter program, what does that tell you about where this republican field finds itself . It finds itself with donald trump in the limelight, alicia. The fact that he definitively did decide not to go to the first debate just sets him apart, not just in terms of him being able to control his airtime, but alicia, remember, they are asking the candidates who are going to go on that debate stage to sign a pledge. One of the most important parts of that pledge is that the eventual nominee will have to support of all of the folks on that debate stage. And by default, this person will not run as an independent. Donald trump is now explicitly signaling that hey, if he doesnt like how things go his way in the gop, hes going to carve out his own laid. In addition to again all of the media spotlight. This is just a win, win, win for donald trump. If it does end up being an interview with tucker carlson, and even bigger win for just that conservative base of media. Carlos you know what the Debate Prep Looks like for these things. You know there has been an asterisk on all of these republican candidates bait props. Okay, if on the off chance, 0. 001 chance that donald trump chose on, this is what we do. Otherwise, we go with this plan. Theres still reworking there tactics as we speak. Trying to figure out, yes, he may not be in the room, but he is the biggest presence there. They cannot not talk about him. Alicia, every single candidate among the many issues that people think about and prepare for for debate, immigration, taxes, health care, Foreign Policy, the Biggest Issue for these other republican candidates is donald trump. How to handle questions about donald trump, about Everything Donald Trump has done in recent years about the many charges that donald trump is facing, the four different judicial cases. These candidates are taking donald trump 101, 201, 301, for a one, 501. Because the answers to those questions could determine whether or not they can stay in the race. Whether or not donald trump would consider one of them to be his running mate. Donald trump wont be there, but in this republican primary, hes going to be the most important topic, and the dominant topic of the night. Victoria, to be even more specific, you have a memo on the debate. Allies of ron desantis laying out a strategy for the Florida Governor to defend donald trump from chris christie. Here is what christie said about that earlier today. This campaign of his has gone from up here to down here. Because people are reallybennine hell he stands for. If what he stands for is defending donald trump, then just drop out of the race and endorsed him. Look, the only way to beat someone is to beat them. If he thinks hes going to get on the stage and defend donald trump on wednesday night, then he should do donald trump a favor, and do a party favor. Come to tallahassee, endorse

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