Historical case, how long they will drag this out, and how it all plays into trumps legal strategy of delay. And, the kick the can congress, once again, they bought more time to avoid a Government Shutdown. And once again, a Republican House speaker is feeling the heat from his own conference. Congresswoman becca of the House Budget Committee joins me live, to bring us inside the chaos. Im jonathan capehart, this is the saturday show. We begin this busy saturday evening, with Breaking News. Our eyes are on michigan, missouri, and idaho, where republicans in those states are Holding President ial caucuses today. Nbc news projects that donald trump won the most delegates of michigans Nominating Convention. All together, between the convention and michigans primary on tuesday, donald trump won 51 delegates, and nikki haley won four. Nbc also Projects Trump won the Missouri Republican caucus, picking up 54 delegates. Trump is expected to sweep idaho as well. We could get those results within the hour. And, we will bring them to you as soon as they come in. Trump held a Campaign Rally in North Carolina earlier today, it is about to speak again in richmond, virginia, at this hour. But the four times indicted on 91 counts former president s most notable victory this week was in court, where he relied on his favorite legal tactic, delay. He traveled to florida yesterday to ask for his classified documents trial to be postponed beyond the Original May 20th Stark date. The Schedule Hearing lasted more than four hours, but judge aileen cannon didnt make a decision. Meanwhile in georgia, trumps lawyers made their final push to remove Fulton CountyDistrict Attorney fani willis from that election interference case. The judge says he will take up to two weeks to decide whether to disqualify and turn the trial over to another prosecutor. All of this is happening, as the Supreme Court remains silent on the issue of trumps own eligibility to appear on the ballot. With the colorado republican primary just three days away, the justices have yet to rule on the states 14th amendment challenge. That leaves trump on the colorado primary ballot for now. Similar challenges in maine, and now illinois are on hold until the high Court Finally weighs in. But the biggest triumph for trump this week, the Supreme Court agreeing to weigh in on his president ial Immunity Claim in the capitol riot case. Oral arguments set for the week of april 22nd. Folks, thats 51 days from now. And a ruling could take weeks, or months longer, creating a huge slowdown for the Special Counsel. As nikki haley rightly points out, criminal trials dont happen before the election, they might not happen at all. I think all of the cases should be dealt with before november. We need to know whats going to happen, before the presidency happens. Because after that, should he become president , i dont think any of it is going to get heard. Joining me now, former Federal Judge luttig. Judge lydick, welcome to the saturday show. Youve said the Supreme Court could release an opinion as late as july 1st. What would that mean for the timing of trumps January 6th Trial . Jonathan, thank you for having me on with you this evening. The Supreme Courts decision to take this case for review is enormously consequential. Both constitutionally and politically. As a practical matter, it makes almost unlikely that the former president s trial will occur before the election in november. You know, the Supreme Court narrowed the scope of trumps Immunity Claim, it agreed to renew it. But what does that signal to you, about their potential decision. Jonathan, the Supreme Court always frames the question that it wants to decide. In this case, this is no exception. Each party proposed a different question, and the Supreme Court framed the question differently from both of the parties. There is been a lot of discussion about the framing of the question. Frankly, all of that is in a teapot. The Supreme Court framed the question its going to decide, and thats what it will do. That question, presents the question in turn, of whether the former president is immune from prosecution, on the charges that jack smith has brought against the former president. You know, as you know judge luttig, the justice departments socalled 60day rule against bring new charges in the run up to an election doesnt apply, if there is already an indictment. Could trying a president ial nominee this fall still raise issues for the Special Counsel . Well, it would raise tactical and strategic questions, jonathan. But lets go back for a moment on the time table. I think its an likely that the Supreme Court will decide this case before the end of its term, which is around july 1st. Judge chutkan has already said that there must be at least 88 days, lets call it three months, before trial can begin. By my calculation, that would make the trial date beginning in the first week of october, one month before the president ial election. And of course, thats assuming that there are no additional delays beyond those that have already been had, which also is unlikely. Thats why i dont believe that this trial will be had before the election. Of course, its possible that the trial could begin in september or october. But if it did, that means that the trial would straddle the election in november, which is not an Ideal Circumstance for either the courts or the prosecutors, much less for the country. And judge liptak, i know that judge chutkan has said she wants to give the parties 88 days. And she said that months ago. Could she, once the Supreme Court decides, could she then come back and say you know what, scrap the 88 days, youre getting half that time, or you are getting 20 days. We are taking this thing to trial . Well, she could jonathan. But the federal courts dont work that way. And, its unlikely that they are going to work that way in this particular circumstance. This is of course the first time in which a president of the United States has ever been criminally charged and tried for an offense. And of course, these offenses for which he has been charged are some of the gravest offenses that a president could commit against the United States of america. So, the court system is going to do this right, and that means ensuring that the former president has all of his Due Process Rights to a fair trial, and the courts are not going to rush the trial, for purposes of the election in november. Judge lydick, weve got less than two minutes. And ive got three pressing questions on each ask you. First one, considering the activity of Justice Clarence thomass wife in the 2020 election, is unreasonable to believe that thomas should recuse himself from this case . Its not unreasonable, jonathan. But Justice Thomas has faced this question several times in the past, since january 6th. Hes declined to recuse himself in those cases. He is not going to recuse himself in this case either. And, we are only three days away from Super Tuesday. But colorado voters go to the polls. If they have an already early voted. Why hasnt the Supreme Court ruled on the colorado ballot case yet . Your guess is as good as mind, jonathan. Again, the Supreme Court of the United States is simply not going to issue decisions in these landmark cases, in order to economy date the political process. And last question, there is this nugget in the New York Times story today that jumped out about the into election election interference hearing, and judge aileen cannons case in florida yesterday. And it focuses on judge cannons experience. Im going to read this directly to you, from the New York Times. At another point, judge cannon asked the second prosecutor, david whether the government intended to publish its list of trial witnesses. Generally in highprofile insensitive cases, Witness Lists are submitted under seal, and remain out of view until a trial takes place. Mr. Smith in particular seemed shocked by the question, and set up stiff lee in the courtroom. His eyes gone wide in apparent incredulity. Judge luttig, how concerned should the American People be that a judge this inexperienced is at the helm of a consequential case . Its a valid concern, jonathan. But, and judge cannon is relatively new on the federal court. She holds the commission, shes been assigned this matter. And she will try it, and of course every ruling that she makes is subject to review, further in the court of appeals, and they are after on the Supreme Court of the United States. So that this trial to will be held to the highest standards of the Justice System in america, one way or the other, through the appeal process. If not in the first instance by judge cannon herself. Retired Federal Judge jay michael luttig, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. Thank you jonathan. Up next, Congress Managed to avoid a partial Government Shutdown, but only for one week. Now, House Republicans could surprise us and actually prove some Spending Bills by friday night. Or, this Can Kicking Chaos can continue. Ill ask congresswoman becca of vermont for her take on that, plus a preview of Super Tuesday in her state, and the president s state of the Union Address, after a quick break. You are watching the saturday show, on msnbc you need verizon. Tradein that old thing and get a new iphone 15 pro with tons of storage. So you can take all the pics so many selfies. A preposterous amount of pano that means panoramic. 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A partial Government Shutdown was avoided, after the house and Senate Quickly passed a continuing resolution on thursday. President biden signed the bill into law yesterday. It was the fourth near shut down in recent months, and the deal does nothing to ensure we wont be right back here again, for the proverbial can that battered ten of fiscal responsibility, and stable governments, has been kicked down the road, again, till friday. Under the new deadlines, funding runs out for five federal departments on march 8th. And then, funding runs out for all the other federal agencies two weeks later, on march 22nd. Joining me now, congresswoman becca balint, democrat from vermont, and a member of the house budget, and judiciary committees. Congresswoman ballot, as always, thank you for coming to the saturday show. So. Nice to be with. You we know all thats happening in the can has been kicked down the road, with continued resolutions. Do you think speaker johnson is capable of pushing back against the House Freedom caucus, and getting a deal done by friday . Okay, so lets set it up. Youve got a speaker who is the least experience speaker in 140 years in this country. He is literally learning on the job. And, this is a man who recently appointed Marjorie Taylor greene as an impeachment manager, for the sham Impeachment Trial in the senate of secretary mayorkas. These are not serious people, he is not capable, at this point i believe, of getting these Spending Bills through. Of course, we are going to do everything we can to make sure that we can get some work and compromise across the aisle to get these Spending Bills through. But this is absurd. As you said, we keep coming to the brink, he promised he wouldnt do continuing resolutions, weve already done several continuing resolutions. This is the bare minimum for congress to keep government open, to keep the lights on. And so as you said, weve got two deadlines coming, up one coming right after the state of the union, and another on the 22nd. And so, i know that our Appropriations Members are ready to do the work. We know that people who are desperately trying to get a farm bill through, and fund the health and Human Services agency want to get this done. But he is still beholden to the extremists in his conference. And i was joking with a friend the other day, that we have an expression in my house, which is the clue phone is ringing, pick it up. Like, he is in a conference, where youve got people who still believe that they can pass extremist measures, when they dont have the votes. As nancy pelosi always says, its a math problem. And so, the extremists keep holding out for these massive cuts to social supports that help families across this country. They dont have the votes, so we are going to continue to come back to this. So. So congressman, there is another deadline that i dont think people know about, and they should. So im wondering, how worried are you that Congress Wont need the ultimate deadline of april 30th . Thats when a 1 across the board budget cut goes into effect, if there is no budget in place by then. Yeah, its very, its very concerning. And so, this is a place where we are so lucky and grateful that we have such an experienced leader in hakeem jeffries. I know hes been working so hard with the president , and with mcconnell across the chambers, to make sure that we dont get to that. Because it would be devastating for american families. And so you are right, this is a deadline that is kind of the sleeper deadline out there, that we dont want to come across. And, hakeem, he always says a setback is a set up to a come back. And so, ive been thinking so hard about, weve got this weve got to build on it now. We have to do the work that