Eight state delegates. And the last time is or republicans have caucus delicate to delegates was back in 2012, but this time around they switched the partys president ial nominating system to caucus after failing to set up a primary during last years legislative session. The rest of michigans delegates, 39 and all, were also awarded to trump today. Amid a complicating and Chaotic Convention process. Well talk about that later. You remember trump already won this weeks Michigan Republican primary. But again, as i mentioned, it is complicated this year. Since republicans hosted both ab primary as well as a caucus. To award their states delegates. That, of course, is because the state of chaos and Michigan State voted last throw to move their president ial primary up to february but that didnt fall in line with what republicans wanted and certainly the Republican National conventions rolls. So local and National Party officials basically landed on this Hybrid Method that we are watching play out this week. Of course, adding to the confusion and all of this, both the current and for Republican Party chairs and michigan had planned for dueling delegates, or Dueling Conventions Acosta delegates to receive conflicting information. Of course, as of now, and certainly for nikki haley, she is foyet to win a republican nominating contest. Shea still vows to stay in the race through Super Tuesday which is next week. Haley telling Meet The PressModerator Kristen Twelker that her goal hating into march five is to have a, quote, competitive showing against trump. Lets start this hour with shaquille brewster, nbc news correspondent and grand rapids, michigan. It is good to see you. You are at that republican convention, speaking to us from there. On hardly a surprise, but way the results played earlier today. Walk us through what theyre actually maine and what the trump and nikki haley campaigns are saying about that. It was a good day for donald trump here in grand rapids, michigan. Of the 13 on delicate that up for grabs at this republican caucus, republican convention, donald trump won all 49 of them. When you go by a delegate, he won on to 8 of the delegates who ended up voting in this entire process. Of course this follows the large victory earlier this week on tuesday here in michigan for the primary. The primary being a more traditional that we are used to voters go to the polls. Donald d trump is getting an of a woman sure g of the delegates to come out of the state of michigan. I talked to a lot of those delegates at the convention. The Convention Since wrapped up who drove in four different parties. That will unify and the support for donald trump. Even those whose the vote of harry because they liked her for cadifferent reasons why mig not have preferred donald trump. That likely will be going to dont trump in the general election. This is donald trump continuing his march toward the nomination, towards Super Tuesday. We are looking ahead to, that this upcoming tuesday. It is another good today for donald trump here in the state of michigan. A lot of back and forth on the stage convention. Walked us through the vibe there between what is happening in the Republican National convention between the two opposing camps. When you look at the result, it is clear that the party was unified behind tydonald trump. There is a Party Insiders gellman delegates, participating on a saturday morning to go and cast their ballots. But if you look at that News Leading K up to this convention up to this weekends convention, you see this Michigan Republican party is anything but unified. The previous shia, christian kalama, she held on to power essentially after being ousted back in january. She got access to the email address, full access of the convention, of the gop website and she was going to have her r own convention in detroit. She was asked in january. She took a contingency of republicans with her. And try to essentially stop that Republican Party cheer, based on a judge, a judge had to come and roll he was that year, essentially force him to have another convention in grand rapids. So leading into this primary and this weekend, there was a lot of confusion over where the convention would take place, what city that convention will take place in, but ultimately it happened here and karen roberts. Pate is that shear and donald trump won and evolving since. Shaquille brewster, live for us and grand rapids, michigan. Great to see you. Thank you, as always. With us now, melissa murray, who clerked for Justice Sotomayor when she served on the appeals court. Melissa is currently and Nyu Law Professor and an msnbc contributor. Also with us msnbc political analyst Jennifer Rubin, also an Opinion Writer for the washington post. Jennifer, ill start with you. We just rtgots results out of idaho. Trump won in the caucus there. 32 delegates. Your thoughts on todays outcomes, not a surprise but nonetheless anytime donald trump ones i think of what we are getting closer to by the day. I think g it is deeply troubling that not only base ba voters but millions of voters are lining up behind donald trump, who has declared that hate will be a dictator on day one, who is stripped away reproductive rights from millions of women, who is and the pocket of vladimir putin, who encouraged that republicans and the house not to pass support for ukraine, not to pass a tough border measure. This is deeply troubling. We have seen fascist movements s in other countries and i feel that we are having a large scale , very rightwing, very Dangerous Movement at work in the United States. And unless democrats, independents, republicans we will see, frankly, that last free and Fair Election in a lifetime. Melissa, we have a big New York Times poll that came out this morning. It shows President Biden trailing donald trump by five points if the election were held today among registered voters. And despite Donald Trumps legal issues, despite the threat he poses to a democracy, despite the fact he says hell be a dictator on day one, President Biden is behind donald trump in this poll. What do you attribute this to and what do you think things keep looking so grim for joe biden this far out . There is a lot of churn in the water around your body, around his age, a run of the thingsn related to local political happenings going on. Often point that much talk and national ucpolls simply because we have a constitution that has a tunumber of Structural Defici including one that doesnt make the popular vote determinative for the office of president. So what i focus on what those statebystate polls. Not all the numbers are great for joe biden. But i think those polls are more determinative because they feed into what we know will be the determinant of the election, that is the electoral college. Its a very important points let me get your thoughts, jennifer, about your new column that voters cannot it can what trumps nnracism. He, right we are also expected to oconnell, once upon, does his vendetta against the central park five, his Real Estate Companies history of discrimination, and his failure to appoint a single African American to the circuit courts or Supreme Court. But you also write that journalists right with us right by the trump has a real chance to win over African American voters. Are we getting so used to trumpm s outrageous comments on race that way of not shocked by them anymore . Im still shocked but i fear that media isnt. And i fear there has been a Huge Movement to normalize, to try to create some equivalence between these candidates when they cannot be. And i go on in that pays to also discuss trumps, frankly, disturbing mental defects and psychologists, psychiatrists have looked at this. He is not all there. No matter what he says about being able to tell a rhinoceros from a camel. But i think it will be up to joe biden, his supporters to really focus in on the choice. Do we want to go back to the guy who tried to overthrow an election . Or do we want someone who is not a perfect president , no president esis, but has led honorably, has helped restore the economy, has fought back through the covid crisis, who helped pass a gigantic infrastructure bill, a chip spill, has put together a historic alliance, has expanded nato. These two people are not remotely and the same ballpark. And i would just echo what melissa said, which is i think these polls are junk, to be honest. I went back for an exercise and looked. This time, in 2012, mitt romney was doing great and he lost fairly comfortably. So i would implore people not to focus, as we like to stay, on the risks, on the horse race politics, but what is at stake. And what is at stake is a democracy, freedom, a functional court system. And right now, we are on the precipice. And this election is really the most important i have had in my lifetime. Nothing short of our survival as our country and as a democracy, is on the line. Let me ask you, melissa, about nikki haley for a moment. She spoke with the media after her rally in North Carolina saying she has a movement of supporters behind her. Of nowhere that is, but she certainly believes it. Watch this. This is a movement and to have incumbents like donald trump not getting 40 in the early states, to have an incumbent like donald trump where his campaign and michigan years, i campaigned in two days and 30 . There is a movement here. And if you see, this is not an angry crowd. A patriotic crowd. This as a corrupt once an america a that their kids can b proud of. I want to believe there are republicans in this country that do not subscribe to donald trump, and that is to some extent to. But is what nikki haley is describing their accurate . Does she have a point or is that wishful, political thinking on her part . The optics arent great for her. Shes gesturing to what appears to be a crowd of not one. I will say, nikki haley if shes gesturing off screen, its something we all know. Donald trump is currently inducted on four criminal documents with not he went charges and total. Those until one charges made clear that something is going on that is likely criminal before, etduring and after his presidency. At all stages of his life as a public official he has been charged with doing crimes during this. I think what nikki haley its hoping for here is the effect of these and documents, these criminal trials, if they have, been will begin to chip away at Donald Trumps late. Shes been dealt a huge blow. We all worth the wait. The Supreme Court decline to immediately deal with the question deof immunity and that Casey Election interference case but shes holding on in the hopes that something will happen, that there will be accountability. And if there is, shell be the last candidate standing. Melissa, jennifer, please stick around. When we come back delay, delay, delay. Will it keep him from facing the music before the november election . Psoriasis held me. Now with skyrizi, im all in with clearer skin. Things are getting clearer. i feel free. To bear my skin, yeah thats all me. Nothing is everything with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90 clearer skin at 4 months. And most people were clearer even at 5 years. Skyrizi is just 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. 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On friday, Special Counsel jack smiths team asked to pick and making their case in july. Trumps lawyers cant of us can distort in august. Well ideally after the november election. Bye to clement to make a decision this week, judge cannon will likely Fourth Of July the trial and she apparently isnt the only person playing the waiting game. Earlier this week, they Supreme Court agreed to decide whether trump can claim president ial immunity over criminal election different charges, adding a new hurdle to that trial taking place. The court will hear the case on april 22, which means of trump loses the appeal, a trial would not get underway until late into election season. Melissa and jennifer opposite back with. May melissa, ill start with you. Trumps legal team has argued holding the trial before the election amounts to Election Interference. They oppose an august trial tight. How can we make sense of that . How do you think judge cannon will roll on this issue . Ayman, it is hard to say how judge cannon will roll. Shes proven herself to be relatively unpredictable and large part because you dont have a great deal of criminal trial experience. Shes only been on the bench for about four years. And she hasnt had certainly a criminal trial of this magnitude with this kind of complexity. This involves, again, serious evidentially questions regarding classified documents and how those are presented to a jury will be real questions. Its not clear she has the experience. What we do seem to know is she is slow walking this case. This case is about as clear and open and shut case for the prosecution as any of the four criminal and documents that donald trump is facing. The case is basically about having document youre not supposed to have, refusing to turn them over. And obstructing justice processes, and trying to recover those by eliminating Video Surveillance records and falsifying of the records in order to keep your actions from the government. Again, it is a really open and shut case. And if it were to get a jury, i think that Trump Team Knows they would not feel well there. Rather than making a fake argument about winds based time for the trial, is it seems there are very clearly focused on simply trying to delay that trial and avoid getting to a jury of his peers. Jennifer, legally and morally at appearance trump might be able to delay his trials until after the election. Politically speaking, will it matter . I know the polls that say some voters atlas look to support trump if hes slapped with a criminal conviction. Nikki haley wants to see that play. Out but trump was already found guilty and his new york civil fraud trial. It was already found liable for sexual abuse and the e. Jean carroll case. None of those seem to have moved his voters. Also a few things. Fir