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MSNBCW Inside July 3, 2024

Criminal trial. We have a pretty good sense of what the playbook will look like. We have lawyers here to break it down. An exclusive interview with gavin newsom. We will debut a new ad that the governor is putting on air in alabama and we will get his thoughts on the former president s trial and what it means for the 2024 race. Foreign aid bills finally passed in the house, but not that plenty of drama from Marjorie Taylor green. Later . A conversation with Superstar Stinger a an activist, john legend. I will ask him about the work hes doing on criminal Justice Reform and get his take on the state of politics. In the words of judge mershon, this trial is starting. There are seven men, five women, and six alternates. They will hear alternate Opening Statements tomorrow. It wasnt a smooth road, because defendant trump was all but digging the potholes himself with an assist from some of his cable news allies. She said two things that stuck out, one, i dont really have an opinion of trump, and no one is above the law. Im not so sure about this juror. Trump then quoted water saying, they are catching undercover liberal Activist Line to the judge in order to get on the jury. Thats not only a complete lie but according to prosecutors, a violation of the gag order and its clearly an attempt to undermine and intimidate the people who simply showed up at the manhattan courthouse to fulfill their civic duty. The next morning, the same juror was called into question asked to be removed because she had concerns about being publicly identified. That hardly sounds like a coincidence to me. Even a number of those who are not directly targeted by a fox news segment or true social post expressed extreme anxiety about this trial. One reportedly broke down, crying during questioning, saying, i have to be honest, i feel so nervous and anxious right now. Im sorry. Another said, i have really bad anxiety and people have found out where i am. Its pretty easy to see why they might feel that way. Imagine being called for jury duty and facing a defendant like trump who has a known history of going after anyone and everyone, not to mention he has an audience who take his words quite literally. That has long been his strategy and is likely to continue as the trial goes on. A former member of Trumps White House legal team said expect some jurors will crack under the immense pressure they will be under. No doubt, a lot of that will come from trump itself, because a fair trial, by an impartial jury of his peers, it may be what he fears the most. These people were carefully selected to do the job theyve been asked to do. The Founding Fathers put jury trials in the constitution because they give citizens the final say. They put the power in the hands of the people, of the rules, not the rulers. Joining me now is our inhouse law firm, and the former General Counsel of the fbi and a Senior Member of Robert Muellers team. I want to start right where i ended. Obviously, as a citizen nonlawyer, you think, that sounds intimidating, jurors are scared. From a legal standpoint, is this considered juror intimidation, and how concerned are you about the potential for others to drop out . Yes, its intimidation and im tremendously worried about it. Donald trump does not trust the founders to put all of this, and the decision of citizens, as you were saying. He is desperate. He is facing 34 different counts in this trial. Opening statements begin tomorrow. This is like taylor swifts new record has 31 songs, its a double record pop culture reference. Absolutely. What is his strategy . To try and remove as many jurors as possible. There are six alternates, hes probably not going to get there, but i think his idea is if he can get rid of a couple, particularly the ones most likely to convict, that is what hes aiming for. I think its absolutely a violation of the gag order. The gag order, trump is barred from making or directing others to make public statements about any prost active juror or any juror in this proceeding. Thats exactly what he did. It sounds exactly like what he just did. Coming back to the gag order, theres a hearing this week. We are trying to understand, there are 12 jurors and its alternate. What happens if seven of them do remove themselves from participating as jurors in this trial . What happens then . Well, if that happens, you have what is called a mistrial and you have to start again, but i want to just underscore a couple things. Jurors in this city, i am in new york right now, they have rendered verdicts with respect to organized crime, leaders with respect to terrorists, i think that people should not underestimate the fact that jurors are going to do their duty. It is shocking to me that we are having this conversation, right now, about the former leader. We are joining other nations that have done exactly the same thing with respect to corrupt leaders, holding them to account. There is a jury system. I think that these jurors, as a collective, take the responsibility seriously. I think we should not jump to what will happen if seven dropped out. You know what . People have a lot of moxie. They have a lot of great in this city and they think that, i really would not be worried about it. I also think judge merchan is a nononsense judge , and judges take their responsibilities, particularly in respect to jurors, very seriously. Even if there is a finding of a fine, you can believe that judge merchan will make it clear that any further efforts on Donald Trumps part are going to be met with severe sanctions. Im confident he will not put up with the kind of shenanigans that have happened already. I am not predicting, certainly, that more jurors will drop out, these people have been through extensive questioning, let me come back to the gag order. They said that the gag order was unconstitutional, there is a hearing on tuesday. What are we anticipating . What possible arguments trumps lawyers will make, i think he obviously did. They will say the gag order is unconstitutional, a violation of his First Amendment right. These are imposed all the time in cases like this and, for the most important of reasons, so i think the argument is going nowhere. Theres a 1000 fine, because what they want is a stern warning for trump that says if you do this again, you are going to jail and that is the ball game, what is the punishment going to be . Thats another event to watch. Let me come back, theres been reporting from the New York Times that david packer is expected to be the first witness. Lisa rubin predicted that and outlined why that would be the case. Theres ongoing reporting and speculation about trump testifying. It seems like a disaster, as a nonlawyer, but explain to us what the prosecution may be thinking, if its trump wanting to do it himself, what the impact could be if he decided to testify and they decided to have him do that. Everyone should know the defendant, and a defendant like trump does not have to testify. The jury will be told that. Thats true of any defendant. He has a right to testify regardless of what his lawyers are strongly advised and i am confident that they will throw their bodies in front of the witness stand, trying to get him not to take the stand and if you are the prosecutors, you are licking your chops, thinking fine, you want to take the stand . Great. The amount of crossexamination material, as you know, from having watched him and covered him, is, you know, thousands and thousands and thousands of prior inconsistent statements, that the polite way of saying lie, prior bad acts. He is taking the stand if he takes the stand its a deathknell to the case. He is unpredictable and has a lot of hubris. Look at the case with E Jean Carroll where he decided that he could do it better than his lawyers and the judgment went from 5 million 85 million. If he proceeds, i dont think he will help himself. Some of the reporting wont surprise you, that prosecutors want to crossexamine him about lawsuits he has lost, taxis made on women, where if you are in the jury, thats a lot of context. Tomorrow, everybody convenes at 9 30, Opening Statements, maybe do we have time to hear from a witness . They are breaking it 2 00 because of passover. First, i would watch for the judges rulings on the sandoval hearing, which is basically the judge saying, here is what i will allow prosecutors to talk to donald trump about if he testifies. Do they talk about carol, do they talk about these other lies, the things andrew is referring to . Its for that reason amongst so many others there is no chance that donald trump will testify. If he had an unofficial mascot, it would be a chicken. There is no chance on earth. Thats the first thing im watching for. Then, i would watch for david and how the prosecution introduces him and tells that story, because its remarkable and has been chalked up to oh, its about Stormy Daniels did know, trump is basically capturing media, the parties most worried about, and paying them for silence. Thats a remarkable thing and interfered with the 2016 election in a massive way and thats the story we hear tomorrow. We have locklin cartwright last week, and his story is remarkable. He was the number two guy at the time. We will see a lot of both of you on our televisions over the next several days and weeks. Next, an interview with gavin newsom. I will ask about Donald Trumps trial, joe bidens prospects, and a draw a jawdropping new ad hes debuting, focusing on reproductive rights. We will be right back with governor gavin newsom. And built for adventure. Which can also be your own quiet cabin in the woods. The fully electric q8 etron. An electric vehicle that recharges you. How we get there matters. 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Recently, a neartotal abortion ban from 1864 was reinstated in arizona and alabama, the site of that conversation with the governor, years ago, hospitals were forced to pause ivf treatment. Will that has received a lot of attention, lawmakers and even tried to make it a crime to facilitate outofstate abortions which is probably not received as much focus as it deserves. Communism is still at it, releasing a new ad that will air in alabama as part of an effort to raise awareness about that legislation. In an exclusive, we are debuting that ad for the first time. I will warn you, its disturbing, but important to watch. We are almost there. We are going to make it. Trump republicans want to criminalize Young Alabama Women who traveled for reproductive care. I need you to step out of the vehicle and take a pregnancy test. Stop them by taking action. Joining me now from a Planned Parenthood Clinic in sacramento is california governor, gavin newsom. I appreciate you taking the time i want to start with this ad that ive now watched many times, its chilling. It will air in alabama. For people who are out there just watch that and think, thats an exaggeration, this is it really going to happen, what do you say to them . Idaho already did. Think god its been stopped by the courts, but its a law that is in effect in idaho and is being advanced not just in alabama, tennessee and oklahoma. So much attention has been focused, ivf, understandably, focused on what just occurred in arizona as it relates to the 1864 law. Not enough attention is on the fact that we are not just criminalizing womens access to reproductive care in certain states, we are now criminalizing their travel. Thats so important to understand, people in states around california, like arizona, who want to come to california, this is a threat people need to take seriously. Talking about arizona, for the second time in two weeks, republicans in arizona, even after seeing the response, blocked an effort to repeal the ban based on a law that was passed in 1864. This time, there was video, of republicans actually cheering on the floor of the legislature. What was going through your mind when you watched that video . It sickens you. Ive got two young daughters. The fact that they wont have the same rights as their mom did, it goes back to that travel point. Hundred 60,000 women had to leave their state. That was last year, taxes reproductive care. Now, the alabama ag wants to incarcerate them for five years to life, women aiding and abetting, not just the women, but those that support the women, to get out of their respective states. We now have a band that goes back to 1864 in the state of arizona and they are celebrating. 1864. I thought the Republican Party wanted to put a Wrecking Ball to the 21st century, now they want to recreate the 19th century. For me, its chilling and goes well beyond the issue of just womens. Women through productive care. This consequential moment, that is absorbing most of our focus, not some of the other tangential things that get more focus at this precious and important moment in american history. Thats an important point that people forget. When we sat down in alabama last year, you warned that it could going after lgbtq rights, contraception. Whats next . What should people be bracing themselves for if these politics continue to run as they are . They have been on a cultural purge, censoring historical facts, its happened in the open. They are not just talking about regression in states, they are talking about rights being regressed in the nation. You and i know, everybody watching those, that of donald trump becomes president again, he will sign a National Abortion ban, full stop. He is the one responsible for the conditions that persist today, and those same conditions, again, continue to process as it relates to rights that are being vandalized by the United States Supreme Court. You mentioned donald trump, and what stuck out to me, he said he would not sign an abortion ban, he leans into, it should be up to the state, which is, by the way, leaving millions of women across the country without access to abortion. It sounds like you dont believe him on his claim that he wont sign the ban. Hes a liar. Hes not telling the truth. He will say whatever he needs to say on any day of the week. Give me a break. He has created these conditions, he celebrated those conditions, the fact that he was responsible for overturning roe v wade. He said he would criminalize women, hes on tape saying these things and will say whatever he needs to say at a given moment so dont think for a second that if the great Lindsey Graham sends him a bill and it gets to congress, that he doesnt sign that. You know he will. Everyone knows that. You cant trust this person by any stretch of the imagination. These conditions persist and are made possible by one person. Donald trump, mitch mcconnell. That is why we have to, i think, be more clear, more concise in the condemnation, and remind people of what is at stake in the selection and again, i recognize what is at stake because we are already feeling and dealing with it, people seeking reproductive care in california is up by 17 . I am here at Planned Parenthood and its important to remind people that a third of Planned Parenthood patients in america are here in the state of california. No state has more responsibility, more opportunity, and a bigger burden than the state of california. I want to ask about Arizona Senate race. Another person attempting to change, soft and, shift, chameleon whatever, is one of arizonas more known republicans, carey lake. She initially praised the measure as a great law, but now says the state Supreme Court decision to revive it is out of step the people of her state. Shes been joking about blocks, that separate but related, what you make of her evolving stance . A person of remarkable character and conviction with compelling moral authority, that puts her finger to the wind and moves with the prevailing wind, please. Her integrity has the form and substance, dare i say, you see the golden state bridge behind me, of fob. Of fob. She said last week that people, well, dont worry about in 1864 van in arizona, you can go to california and go to a neighboring state, which she took back, literally and seriously. Sh

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