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All in starts now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. We have Breaking News out of the state of arizona, where attorney general kris mayes Just Announced a grand jury in arizona have returned indictments in the investigation into the fake collector scheme in that state to steal the 2020 election. You will remember that was the plot devised by allies of donald trump to send false certificates to the National Archives, claiming that donald trump won the states electoral vote, rather than joe biden. This played out in seven Battleground States with the intent to sow chaos and confusion at the certification of the electoral votes, which was to take place on january 6th. Arizona attorney general mays has been investigating the steam since shortly after scheme, since shortly after she took office. We are here because justice demands answered to the defendant and other unindicted coconspirators allegedly took to undermine the will of Arizona Voters during the 2020 election. Whatever the reasoning was, the plot to violate the law must be answered for, i was elected to uphold the law of this state. 18 people are listed in the indictment. Only 11 defendants are unredacted. Those include former Arizona Republican party chair kelly ward, as well as her husband, michael ward. As well is jake hoffman and anthony curran. All 11 that are named in the indictment are unredacted, serve as false electives, the people that signed and certified the bogus document sent to the national archive. Are seven additional defendants who have not yet been served, their names are redacted. The Washington Port Status post report they are mark meadows, rudy giuliani, jen alice, john eastman and christina bob. Boris epstein and mike roman. The defendants are charged with conspiracy, fraud and forgery, all felonies. For scheming to prevent the lawful transfer of the president Keep Unindicted coconspirator one in office against the will of Arizona Voters. Unindicted coconspirator one, is donald trump. All of this comes as trump already faces 88 criminal charges across four jurisdictions. He is currently on trial in new york facing 34 charges related to Election Interference and Business Record fried. Tomorrow morning, the Supreme Court will be Hearing Arguments in his immunity case, were trunk claims he cannot be prosecuted by special counsel jack smith in the federal january 6th election case against him. Joining me now is von hillier. I know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment. First of all, set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how long it took and what attorney general mays announced today. It is important for folks that may be saying, why did this investigation takes a long, why is it the year 2024 before the indictment came down. Folks should understand in the state of arizona, it was a republican who was the attorney general in the two years following the 2020 election. Chris mays did not come into the position until winning the crucial november election in 2022. That is what led to the investigation. Over the course of the year, this was a Sprawling Investigation that led to not only the 11 Fake Electors being indicted, but also the seven other individual year. If we look at the 11 individuals, i think number one, when you look from an arizona perspective, there was not much effort to hide what they were doing. They literally videoed on December 14th and then convened at the arizona gop headquarters in Central Phoenix signing this for certificate and sending it to congress to hopefully be counted via mike pence on january 6th. These 11 individuals include ward, her husband. And when i talk about not hiding this, on December 14th, michael ward, one of the Fake Electors, posted a photo on twitter of his wife taking a phone call. And him putting in the caption, another call tonight from potus. Cannot say exactly what we talked about. He told us to keep the pressure on six. This was a transparent effort that was playing out for the public. Tyler , the Rnc Committeeman from the state of arizona, the chief operating officer of Turning Point usa, you look get two arizona legislators, a former senate candidate, among the list of 11. But that you have rudy giuliani, directly cited as convening a group to try to pressure the State Legislature to overturn the Election Results of course, also notably, you have christina bob, Boris Epstein. This gets at the heart of the conspiracy that chris mayes lays out over the course of these this 57 page indictment. We will dig into these charges. The notion that the fake collector scheme itself was a criminal enterprise is reflected in the ricoh indictment in georgia were Fake Electors are also out of that criminal indictment. And an investigation ongoing in michigan, as well, were some of those Fake Electors have been charged. Arizona joins a number of states where the fake collector plot was being pulled off. After some investigation, grand jury concluded there is probable cause clause to indict for a crime with respect to their activities. Absolutely. At the heart of this indictment, john eastman, allegedly calls rusty bowers, the republican speaker of the house. And after doug ducey had already certified the result , folks may recall, the day the governor of arizona signed it, hell to the chief played on his phone. We in the press knew that doug ducey made that the ring tone for donald trump. As he was certifying the Election Results, donald trump was calling him in real time and he put him on mute. After that, we know the fact that john eastman placed a phone call to rusty bowers, the speaker of the house, urging him to serve decertify arizonas Election Results and send this fake slate of electors to the celtic. And let the courts handle the rest from there. Rusty bowers, if we can show his picture again. He provided some of the most he was one of the people who testify publicly during the hearing. Stallworth conservative, lifelong republican. Very religious and devout mormon. He talked about the insane pressure to do something he said was flatly illegal, to basically have the state Legislature Vote to send the trump electors, rather than the bible electors, of the charges here, therefore count. Conspiracy is the first. Count two is fraudulent schemes and artifices. Count three is fraudulent schemes and practices. Count four through nine are forgery. The last count, accounts, these individuals attested to something in a document we have access to the faith sent to the National Archives that was simply not true. They said we are the duly appointed electors and signed her name to it. They signed their names to it and sent it to congress and the national archive. You can go in google it. Anyone at home can google it. This is, i think with this comes into play, the extent to which this even extends, chris, beyond the explicit acts of november, december and january of 2020. Ward stayed on as the gop chairwoman for year after this. Tyler , one of the indicted individuals is still to this day currently Rnc Committeeman. Two people are still State Legislators. In 2021, the cyber ninjas, kelly ward was at the forefront. I spent days at the foreground over the course of months, ballots were being called. Kelli ward was there. Anthony was a volunteer for the forensic audit. And of course, they do not get into this in the indictment. It because of the length of the investigation that hits at the particular crimes here. Christina is another name i would know. Just last month was brought onto a formal role for this current Election Cycle i the rnc Trump Campaign operations to be a part of their Senior Counsel for election integrity. The folks we are seeing the name of, at the heart of chris mayess statements. In order to send a clear message about how election should not be tempered with its for the purpose of future election. So many individuals are at the heart of the beating drum of how Arizona Elections are being run currently. We should note the Arizona Election 2024 carry lake is the republican nominee, or she is running for senate to fill the spot being vacated by kyrsten sinema. She still says the election was stolen. She says her own defeat in 2022 was also stolen. She has been sued for libel by the chair of the Maricopa County board of election, she has basically agreed to not contest that. There is adjudication of the penalty. This is within the Republican Party. Some of whose officials are named in this indictment. Just handed down about. Hour ago. Thank you, that was great. Mary mccourt spent several years he litigated the case against the wisconsin Fake Electors. Currently cohost the Webby Award Podcast tom joslin was a senior staffer on the jetway six committee. And they both join me now. Mary, i think you all had a little time to look over this indictment. Your thoughts on what you read. It is very familiar conspiracy to meet. Like you mentioned, having been part of a team of lawyers that litigated against the wisconsin fraudulent electors and two truck attorneys. One of the things i was looking for in there, case resolved with the settlement which included permanent injunctive relief. The electors are never to do this again. Attorneys are to never help them do it again. It also resulted in the release of some 15 or 1600 email and Text Messages that show the genesis of the scheme. What i saw in this arizona indictment is a lot of the things i saw in the Text Messages. This scheme was concocted in wisconsin by Trump Campaign attorney jim troup is and his friend, attorney Kenneth Chesebro. He has pleaded guilty in georgia, who is unindicted spirit or number four in this arizona indictment he is the one that came up with the idea. He had the beginnings of the idea five days after the election. His first email to mr. Troopers say, what about if an alternate slate of electors shows up on january 6, throwing things into chaos. And left the State Legislators decide. Or we can throw such things into chaos that the vote would go to the house. What that means is, the vote by the house, with there is no winner, it means every state its wonderful. Its not at that time, it was the 26 state majority. That would mean the election went to trial. When i signed this indictment was the communications after mr. Sent the memos up to the white house. That is reflected in this indictment. Boris epstein said, can you replicate this in the other states. That is what set attorney Kenneth Chesebro off. Unindicted coconspirator number four. To work with people like kelli ward. To make this happen. Tom, when you work on the January 6th Committee and help draft the final report, did you think there would be downstream effects of state criminal investigations happening after your committees work . I think there should have been the downstream effects. The bottom line is, this is conspiracy that cut across seven states. Trump and the coconspirators tried to nullify because they lost the popular vote in those states. This is now the third state where they brought criminal charges against the Co Conspirators. Although, not trump himself. When i read the indictment, it reads like a middleoftheroad indictment. In georgia, you have the conspiracy case, where trump is charged in georgia. In michigan, you have the charges up against just the Fake Electors but no can Co Conspirators. Now you have the Fake Electors charge plus the coconspirators on top of them in arizona. Including a number of people who let them down this false path. Except for attorney Kenneth Chesebro, he is conspicuously not indicted. Yet his memos laid the groundwork for the Fake Electors scheme. One of the things i learned is how much evidence attorney Kenneth Chesebro was able to hide from us. They had a december 6 memo where he said the intent of the Fake Electors had nothing to do with being contingent on election litigation outcomes or State Legislatures are flipping the vote. He was basically there to gum up the i think this is necessary for the type of criminal accountability in arizona and other states will hopefully follows. If folks do not remember, there are different incarnations of the Fake Electors scheme. The first of which, i think you can characterize as an extremely aggressive, but arguably defensible legal posture to retain the possibility of a donald Trump Victory if fraud was found in litigation proved effective. The second version was purely a badfaith cynical and to rise to essentially defraud people and create this sort of screwed up situation. If i can interject, the bottom line is, if you go to the evidence, the truth is the first option was off the table by the time the Fake Electors met. The document it was clearly aimed at delaying or obstructing the certification of joe biden victory. This is important. You can see this in the indictment, some of the defendant lied and said, we just voted in Case Election Litigation flipped arizona. Some of the Fake Electors might have leave that. The problem is, we know the people pulling the strings did not believe that. That is why the indictment in arizona is so important. They are going after some of the puppet masters. As we rotate rotate of the meeting. Kelli ward is seated at the chair position. Again, this was all public. Its remarkable how much evidence that is public. You have samuel moorehead, writing, we need to take action about the 2020 election. I would hate to go to my grave knowing the electoral vote i cast with not counted. They were doing this in public. To your point, mary, one of the things on page 29 is, in an email to the Tea Party Phoenix Metro by the way, if the Electoral College did not result in 270 electoral votes for either president ial candidate, the 12th Amendment is exercised. Guess what, trump wins because the count did not go the way the democrats were hoping. This is all laid out. They were not that surreptitious about this entire enterprise. That is not always the case with most criminal conspiracies, this one, it is fairly public. Yes, like tom said, i think it is possible some of the Fake Electors in different states at first really didnt think there was some legal authority. They had lawyers telling them to do this. And there was some legal authority. It is clear when you see the documents the puppet masters, or the marionette string pullers, they all along, and it is clear in the documentation, they knew this scheme with a scheme to throw things into chaos. To support putting pressure on State Legislatures, to reconvene and send up a state slate of electors. Which itself wouldve been subject to legal challenge. Or to pressure mike pence the countys illegitimate votes. And worse comes to worse, throw things to the 12th Amendment. I will say, even with the fraudu