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don t just mean vulnerable innocent people i mean people who are sitting around in this world to confess to crimes they didn t commit. any time you do an exoneration case when there s been a false confession it s like trying to write a try so. everybody s already against you the person has been convicted by a jury and change things he s guilty the jury thinks he s guilty now you have to convince everybody that they re wrong. so ok so you re the. the case of renee which who has been in prison for 20 years renee lynch. was a case we took about 2 and a half now maybe 3 years ago now and she was accused and convicted of killing her landlord in buffalo new york in 1900. and it s also obviously a false confession case the police are going crazy and they can t solve it 18 months go by and bernie s connection to the victim was that it was her landlord and start looking into renee who at the time was heavily addicted to drugs crack cocaine and because she gets arrested for something else and they start interrogating her and she confesses to killing her landlord with this guy karim so she says kareem and i went to my landlord s house we were going to rob her the robbery goes bad and karim stabs her. to get a felony murder being present during the commission of a crime and somebody gets killed we started sort of doing you know just regular google searches on the players names the detectives and everything in this women behind bars comes up and they ve done an episode. where they got in the in the prison and interviewed her and then interviewed this choice of like court was the cop on the case the way her body. was time to tell the truth. i believe her confession is kind of nonsense there s inconsistency between the physical evidence and what she says and during the show he says well i mean we knew that corinne walker was in florida at the time of our crime. karim was a. new karim walker was in florida at the time the crime then rene s confession can t possibly be true because she s confessing to going to rob the landlord with karim that the defense been able to put that on her confession would have made no sense but the defense was never told. the whole thing is so full of holes and so bogus i can t put my finger out and say like you know this is the thing but i think if we dug in it we could find that thing that could get her out because it s all. it s just all of it so it s messed up how do they record this confession and didn t know i mean did they make her a statement they typed it up and then read it to her and made her so and so there is a type of confession is the only version of the confession there s no like original notes they have or something that we have. to wonder about. she says you know details about the crime scene because they showed her photos of it. details that she you know how the body was lying and being shown her those photos so we d have to find some kind of new evidence that didn t exist at the time of the trial. or didn t didn t exist in the time of the trial but it wasn t known right and it wasn t presented during the trial and if we have to show that if it had been could have been a different outcome. i think we can but it s going to be hard. our goal is of course to get renee out of prison but it can take a really long time sometimes many years one of the 1st things we do in cases like this is to comb through the confession and find all the consistencies to clearly show that the confessions. and if there is a cream walker drove me to 90 longmeadow and i am her. the plan was i was going to go into the front door and crean was going to come up the back door. he was going to tie her up with a piece of white extension cord that he brought with him at that time kareem hit louise in the side of the face and louise fell to the floor and kind of went out if that happened he would be standing punching her here right. here in the face he knocked the wig off a wig landed on the floor in the kitchen. kitchen. he tried to tie louise up with the plastic or he had then comes from behind louise he stabbed her at least twice however we know it s 8 times. louise fell to the floor again it was a large amount of blood on the floor next to her body so the only thing she gets right is that the witness. that there s a plastic cord involved in this case is correct and the phone cord is where the extra d.n.a. is. ringback in the is jean fisher byron nelson rene lynch s attorney i have a call with her this morning. thinks. oh. oh. oh. 000000000 why they re quite right. oh i know it s hard. or hard. rene went to trial she testified and very incoherent way she was high during the trial. in which she was not a good witness for herself she recanted right away afterwards and her confession is that it was a coerced when i tops and you know about this they re like well this i would never cross a contests where people say i ve been talking about this for 30 years and that s the 1st thing everybody says i get it but it wouldn t happen today it s not one time the person that gives a false confession we all fall into the circumstance of interrogation we are all there have been some training to tech this i ve spoken to who say i can get anybody to confess to him from any of them will boast that they have a 95 percent confession right. conceivable unless you re a lesser near perfect at identifying the perpetrator that is every suspect you identify is the perpetrator right if you ve got a confession rate at that level you re producing a whole lot of false confessions the renee lynch when i talked to her about it she explained to me i was so shocked that they convicted me she said because there was no evidence of a confession so powerful it can stand alone so here s the jury on the one hand they ve got the confessions alone and they go to. the confessions trumped the d.n.a. changes everything and sometimes i ve likened the final product of a confession to a hollywood production it is scripted by the police theory of the case it is rehearsed and lights action camera ready to go. and that s when the jury sees they don t see the whole production they just see the final i don t see how the judge or jury can look past the false confession is there will see the presence . we have a number of documented cases in which the person who falsely confessed actually came to believe the lie that they were told about their own behavior. which is. a whole nother level of insanity and some of them believe it for a long time afterwards right. here. in the melted thompson case we had he was a danish inturn who came. to danish he was a college student studying to become a teacher and he came and interned at i.p.s. which is really you know like a $20000.00 a year preschool up by the u.n. and it was a code teacher who accuses me of molesting all the kids in the class and he s on the cover of the daily news they take his focus his facebook profile pictures him with his niece on his shoulders so they put that on the cover of the daily news and write sex monster and they go arrest him in the morning and bring him into the station and they have a female cop interrogate him she tells him while you know we have video of you molesting these kids which they had videos but he s not molesting anybody so they had this woman who accused him had taken videos of him in the classroom interacting normally with children and so either the cops had watched it or they had watched it and were blatantly lying to him but there was no video of him molesting kids but he hears that right and he thinks holy well if i m on a video i. must have done it right they let him continue to believe this lie and he s caught red handed on tape molesting these kids and i think that that you know he started you could tell through the hole when they finally are recording him he s doubting himself you know he s he s wondering did i do this. the binding ministration is still young but his follow policy particularly in the 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and going around my. consoler on my shorts. you know short of going forward in that or question where you were going. and so what when you say it in pleasure at one time that the central. of it would have to be. i don t know you know. my memory of it and it s like is this not of it if you read out the statement i did as your handwriting and it just waiting over briefly doesn t look like it s been changed in any way. and that s your signature. because you write those that are here today they re going to show you the camera. i don t even think people in the us really get that the police are allowed to lie to you i think most people would think that if i am speaking to a police officer he s telling me the truth but now to times i mean in denmark it s illegal for the police to lie to you so he really i think was was really says extra susceptible to something like that it took us filing the civil rights suit to even get access to these tapes the district attorney wouldn t give it to us when the criminal case was pending we asked the court we moved for a court order to get at the judge just wouldn t give it to us but they sat on these tapes for 8 months he had this case hanging over his head and they knew that there was nothing in the tapes right. there was the only evidence there was yes luckily melted never got convicted right we were able to stop it before that happened but it took i mean it almost killed him. there. sexual abuse involving very young children were brought to the attention. district attorney s office. to thoroughly investigate and involved. in the children particularly in this instance we ve used for the last. 17. agents and. people are willing to dismiss this case after carol and. gather in our extensive investigation we have to have. you know have you ever seen anybody use like a piece of a foam court to prop up the waves or put it. just the way forward to i don t know if i have a case where there is a piece of foam cord found inside of a week why would you. lay it on your head to give the league a little for a little. weeks if they re flat. because if there is some in the hair is not like it s. just like a 3 to 4 inches of phone cord. if you. were trying to get permission to test all the old evidence for d.n.a. but to do that we have to collect as much information about her innocence as we possibly can and. go back and interview all the witnesses collect documents go back to the crime scene. i keep coming back to this thing that the cops knew he was in florida and kept going with the story that they did together like wife if they know he s in florida why don t they like. your lives. you re lying to us because he s in we know he s in florida why don t they are confronted by hearsay that how can they be permitted to go forward with a serious of a case that they know is not true name a trial basically matter. so that s why that s nice and trickery and the only way to convict somebody of this was to do it that way yes. it just makes me so jaded and really disgusted with the district attorney s offices and i feel like you know the you know they re supposed to be at the top of the chain right there it s supposed to be the ones making sure the cops made mistakes or people below the cops made mistakes then they re the ones who are responsible for fixing it why not do d.n.a. testing think why not they were all we re not infallible we can all make mistakes why not check i mean her name is going to be in prison for the rest of her life why not just check you know they can never answer that question so you just end up in court with you know them opposing your motions for d.n.a. testing and unending ability gating instead of working together in rene s case it s especially frustrating because i mean they certainly believe that this was done not the stabbing was not done by her so there is a set of the i mean they re basically admitting that they have a cold case and there s a murder out there and they still don t want to do it you know it s did 2 people either 2 people or somebody other than renee committed that crime and that person is out and about and d.n.a. contesting could show who they are but. they re still posing as. am. you know the central park jogger case was my 1st interaction with false confessions our firm represented corey wise on his civil rights case way to start i mean you re diving right into the deep end there you know. the circumstances at play in that case were huge amount of pressure on the police and the authorities to make arrests and make them step. forward. 7 years in prison. with one of the most notorious crimes in the history of new york city it was a crime in which a woman who was a wealthy. investment banker was out jogging at dusk and was dragged into the woods in central park and almost beaten to death and there was front page news every day everywhere and they are out to get arrests and they got him. when you get to the false confessions in that case it was a classic you know. mismatch they were totally overmatched underrepresented if represented at all i don t know what they could their core even have anyone in the room without his consent is 16 so he was considered an adult sadly and so his mom was not allowed in there and they you know had given the lawyers they all waived their their miranda rights. rights. where you live chris. says. that it s. this is very very serious this may be very we don t know are there. ways an example we do say. after seeing those pictures i m sure if you can see where it is why it is. it is hard for people to understand how this can. help the producer confessions something they didn t too and there really is a complicated set of stories there is no one reason. you know why is confessed to get out of this bad situation he was on the pressure for many many hours he was likely be told that others were giving stories and that to to cooperate in order to go home and it is very telling in the central park 5 case that every one of them every one of the boys and every one of the parents who were present were surprised the boys were arrested after their statements every one of the time i was going home right well you know want it sounds crazy right here thought you were going or confess to a rape and go home right but you know that one false confessors were interviewed afterward and they ve been exonerated and the 1st question everybody wants those i don t understand why don t you confirm the most typical response because i want to go home. innocent people often say after wards you know i was so. tired i was so stressed i figured let s sign this confession it ll all work itself out in the end the detective so often say you know we have d.n.a. we re going to send them to the lab. 3 of these things that are claiming they have t.n.a. that bluff is a way to scare the criminal into submission it may be right but if the person you re talking to is not the criminal but an innocent person that the law becomes a promise of future exoneration paradoxically makes it easier to contrast right through a crime we re going to do some tests are going to take a lot of samples from a lot of different people. right and i just want to know that if we do that we will probably get an order to take a sample from you. and then we ll compare it to tests. or this. area because you re in a position now where you know that there s an indian match. day even better off tell us about it now or the stairs instead of saying something that s a natural part of the story. one of the things i think they made you say was that you cut her out of the legs and where did you how did you come up with that i don t know. came from no i don t know. made it up i don t know i came from no i don t know. there are 3 big events and more than hughes 3 which could not be predicted because they were ridiculous. because it was world well one because nobody read it could see that would happen if you deployed us old and machine 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