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brought home by a crumbling economy and gang violence. 2 ships carrying and ported fuel have been unable to unload and tank is not delivering because of security concerns. okay, those are the headlines. the news continues here on out era, after inside story, stay with us. ah, who's in charge? in sera lanka, the president has fled, instead of resigning the acting leader has imposed the curfew for protest. there is one him to step down as well. is there a way out of the crisis to prevent a power vacuum? this is insightful. ah. ah. hello and welcome to the program i'm dead in obligate sir. lincoln's political turmoil is deepening. president got by a roger poxel had promised to resign by wednesday, but instead his flight to singapore via the mold eaves, the acting president, rhino work from a single, has declared a nationwide curfew. the army has been clear to use force if necessary to maintain order. shall ankin say these developments are unacceptable. protests have decided to leave the government buildings they've occupied since saturday, but they are adamant their campaign will continue on. so both roger boxer and wicker miss single are out of office. i can't read with 11 at any. 7 mom, o, neill thou, my equal goldman? those corruptions over yet did do without them no answer revealed all nakeila to follow them. then i made an elaborate renewal, came to power, saying he would solve problems. but look, what has he done? he's not done anything yet. look at what happened yesterday, not even women were spared during election time. they came and embraced people and made all sorts of promises, but they haven't delivered any of them. so there is no point in renewal or go to, they have to go. my name is vanessa austin. hus more from colombo. oh, i'm wondering why in this building this house now actually making announcements, housing slogan, stacy? these 5 days, please make a point and now we're going to regroup and continue on with house where it has not been our goal to help to fargo buildings they occupied since saturday when more than a residency of the preference here, colonial building. but also the secretary of the president, the prime minister house, and also yesterday the office they will empty all these promises to will keep a rallying ground near the president, secretary of the day also sat. what happened on wednesday? i had to parliament dorming parliament. that was not for for intention, and they don't want to regroup and they're still on for a president got a really resign. it's not, they want to fall in feature or abolish just executive power. so they also calling still for the president to step down. and me to do this again still has not 10 piece recognition as you know, the prime minister, but stays, he's not the acting president then you see is the acting president. so what that, that tactical fighter would have been to create, discard amongst the stairs, and amongst people here and to create the so many and create violent incidents. but that is not what the ordinary people who came here and the people who came here with the july 9th that event demand event wanted. of course, there would be various elements coming out, trying to clear discard, but we will always try to keep them out even always fight against violent elements . because this has always been a peaceful struggle in the past couple of days, thousands and thousands of free long could have visitors, this residence of the president, you've seed probably the images of people jumping into his pool and also was sitting a working on his, in this area, the protest movement is a correlation, a fairly broad correlation of fairly different groups. and they are very worried that there will be some splintering, some, some cracks happening and that's why they're now regrouping. they're packing up this stuff here at the residence of the president, and they will continue to rally somewhere else. but they really hope now that parliament takes the lead in impeaching or abolishing executive power of breast and go to buy a $100.00. ah, let's bring in our guests all in colombo. joining us from there is cub your hash him who's a member of the parliament, with the main opposition and a former minister. she had pereira is the executive director of the national peace council luster lanka, and harsh on it. and then i, a kara, is a lawyer and member of national people's power. that's an opposition coalition. welcome to the program. thanks so much for your time. john perrera, who's in control of the country, who's in control. it is the government, it is in control, but it is a tenuous control because the government has lost its legacy must be it has a majority in parliament. it has the power of the presidency. but the people who people have not decided not to cite that minded by that by the peaceful revolution that took place where the president had to flee the country. so he waits very unsettled situation. it is not cable problems are not being sold. problems are massive in the country. their lines lines, extraordinary law, 2 or 3 kilometers. people are staying 2 or $3.00 to $4.00 days, waiting for petrol overnight in there where he goes, the crisis doubled people's standard of living has collapsed. and yet our leaders are not taking action, they are not settling that problems among themselves and cohesive, be coming up with the economy plan for the revival of the country. okay, well i guess what we're going to get onto these issues in a moment. the 1st, let me bring in your hash them to tell to tell us who you think is in control of the country and whether there is a power vacuum going on right now. well i think, you know, the sense that people come close to the line and now they are lack of sanity actually. and it's about time the banker got. so it's not only the let you mess up the government. it's pretty be up the government. people have lost, she lost trust, and therefore, right now ment position including all of the political parties, met together yesterday to me and the we have all the time that meeting with the speak tomorrow, where the leaders are almost all critical parties will need to speak. i and ask you to. busy some of them and where we will be a boat to a point of time to be staff amongst a consensual prime minister and then president. so we are trying to have unity governments period to stabilize to can can because there are lots of . busy looking just on the plan on the issue for the succession plan could be or how should i mean, is this going to be an easy task? you say that there's a, there's a meeting tomorrow. what are you expecting to come out of it? yeah, yeah. it will be much easier. you're going to have resignation, bye and all of them speak of each. yes sir, but we haven't been at the president has submitted recognition. been days in order . many process choose been done. the same is the prime minister can be appointed as a majority in parliament support. so right now we think that opposition and the other parties like him to get that can have that majority to get a prime and present the majority again. and then amongst us and then have any, a government that will take us to the reform process and be like, be caught to me to a point and then maybe go for an election at a particular time. so it is not difficult because the system is very much and you shouldn't have probably shunned on how to do it. the question is, but we haven't seen that yet. that doesn't happen by more than that. yeah, that's good. that's exactly. let me bring her shawna at this point because as kabir was just saying under the constitution, it's the prime minister who steps up as acting president if the president resigned . but since we haven't seen the president's resignation, how uncertain is the path ahead? well, it's like this right now, as we pointed out, he has not received have not seen the letter and also claims that he's been appointed as the president, but no one has seen the warrant issued by the president to that effect. in fact, that we see lena, emblem, there's a procedure for him to be acting as a president. and also it cannot be for an indefinite period. the $100.00 states, how long is what the plan is to. so if none of those probabilities have be followed, or at least not golf, the problem remains to be when the prime minister acting us up with this valley. in that case, all the orders he shows in the acting capacity unlawful and could be when it long retrieve it. ok. so therefore try a huge problem whether it is even appointed as active prime minister. so this is exactly the reason why you just love the streets and unrest because people just do not know what's going on at all. so i am of the view, in the absence of them showing it the want of exclusion, which comes with a letter witnessed by the presidential secretaries that is not available. this constitutional crisis and the uncertainty and the instability will continue. okay, we have an important question now, right? we have our situation now where the prime minister has been issuing orders, for example, he's ordered the army a to use force if necessary. that's one of the things that he's come out with. and seeing is the prime minister was also considered the president deputy, and parliament, but with him being deeply unpopular as we know and through length. where does this all leave things? well, i mean, this is exactly what i'm trying to say that in because people don't trust this government. they do not trust writing as a courtesy. ok. the slogan is go to their job, bucks a go home, run into trouble signal, go home, and none of them have right now he is claiming to be acting as the president, claiming, because i've not seen that lawful authority. he has on paper, but then he should be appointing a prime minister. so he can be acting as prime minister placement. but because he's supposed to find a prime minister from his cabinet, which has not done so days a crisis as a cabinet with finding out earlier. if godaddy does not give this liberal recognition and follow the process from tomorrow onwards escalate and even the trade unions and the country would go for the island by general strikes as life has already been creep on, like a full like off income shortage of food. so it will only escalate simply because the president has not given his ignition, and neither have been appointed to continue. it will be sterilized and get into really bad level, john, even if there's this meeting taking place tomorrow, as we, as we've been hearing from, from kabir, even if they come up with some sort of consensus agreement, the members of parliament, is that something that the public is going to accept because at the end of the day doesn't at risk a lot of the same faces just staying and in these positions for at least this period. hello. i mean what, what the people have been asking for the civil society by association. the religious clergy is all parties entering government because we have to be governed by somebody. so at all part, the entering government, selected by consensus, which would tear the country out of its present pretty common over the next 6 months. perhaps the with the i m. s. d to find a solution to some of the problem pressing problem, the more pressing problems of shortages and then go for election. i think people would accept that. what the people don't want. is this raj approximate government? even if the rad bucks not bad physically is that to that spirit. they don't want to continue. that's what they had been revolting again in large numbers. unifying that the unified sense among the people that this government must go. right. but the issue for a lot of people, the way that i understand it is that they are concerned by what's called political corruption in the country g. honda has been taking place for for many, many years. so to what extent has this political corruption deepened the mistrust in governments as a whole? i mean what has happened is that people are blaming this government and this leadership and the raja puts a family in particular. but why would you say it is something that also comes from the part it is not just this government and this leadership that have been cut up. but previous governments and previous leaderships also have been corrupt and have to take part of the responsibility. but this government, in particular, was particularly blatant about it. they had the sense of entitlement president as soon as he came to public when he won the election in 2019 aggregated to himself, the public, more public from parliament, and then proceeded to make some terrible decision. immediately get tax cuts for the rich. and then he went into banding for chemical fertilizers and trying to make sure that organic farming country overnight and basic and, and also the corruption, the incredible corruption so that people, people really believe the people on the street believes that they've been going. and leaders actually, hard to dollars in, caught, in, contain a, contain a lot of dollars, but sent out of the country. and that is why you don't have for foreign exchange in our country. right? so the blame comes suddenly on this government, even the previous governments are responsible for the pretty common carrier is the priority. now to get politics back on track or the economy i think will have to be done on monday because they do, we need to read political credibility and trust me on the credibility and trust. so we will have to listen to the sounds coming from the ground, from the professors, and we have to do some constitutional amendments. more come to be more transparency, more action against corruption. do we have to be in that concrete? and so the new consensus government, you'd have to make those more in the 1st few months so that even the people have confidence and then the need to do for 20 to 30 years. we haven't done can obviously forms. that is why we came apart from the corruption we had to take lot of, we have a lot of change as she's speaking changes. let me ask you particularly about one political change, and that is the 20th amendment, as you know, which was passed in 2020, that really reconciled traded power in the presidency itself as a member of the opposition. now is that something that the opposition is going to look to abolish? of course, we have already given a draft bill to parliament calling it the 21st amendment, and that's in desperation of what the country asking for the last couple of months . unfortunately, some of government members have come up with an alternative, which is the 22nd amendment, which doesn't go that far. so frank come to a compromise, going back at least to the 19th amendment features there before, where the president of stripped to a large extent we wanted to go further. people might be abolished of the density. we want to move to that. so we are going to go as far as we can for what the people are asking for the aspirations. so that would be the 1st step, political going to be to be then will be a stablish in the country. but we need to get that. busy process going and restart to the depth. i think we can do that a speaking of the i m f har shawna. how difficult or negotiations going to be with the i m f going forward because to lanka is now going into these negotiations as a bank rock country. well, things are going to be hard and difficult, but there's no doubt that we will need to seek 3rd party health. there's no doubt about it, but it all depends, nichols, you are going to be difficult, as you know, as a backup nation, of a bargaining powers are limited. when you go to i am. if for any other place, they will look good imposed conditions so that the country will be more accountable . lack of accountability on the part of our governments has been the biggest goods . the corruption came as a result of that. so it would be tough road ahead, and we need unity in approach. remember as to the 2 members said earlier, initial job is for having to rem garmen for a limited period to get the most essential. that is the cooking guess full. so the contra can function and for delay, so for the farmers and to open the school to job in close infinity. now this is going to be the task for the interim garment, the main task, but they will have to start negotiating and opening up channels and discussing and going for forensic audits to see what happens when lessons let openness is necessary. so therefore, the 1st 3 months or 4 months or 6 months, the limited period, we have good resist issues. what thereafter or badly as cubby would put it, we have to batter lester. the negotiation is not going to be easy. it's not going to be easy. we had a bankrupt mission. missile was a debt, right? and on the, i am actually not an announcement in that when the i'm africans is bailout, as you know, our santa, the, the bailouts come with austerity, which generally affects the poor and the people. you're right, you're right, that so they have gotten better. i had met has gone because there has been some on occasion change of the elements. but here what is important is the negotiation. when the us was stated, emissions, we are not supposed to cut down health and education, but all the perks these couple patients have members of parliament are having. so that up places we can, she walks that up. this we can cut off without touching the poem. awesome, because after the court on our way to close down an after the economy coming, going to hold. i mean, if you try to cut off things from the people of use, it has going to be time. okay, let me bring in john, john, what are the obviously the immediate priorities is to get food, fuel and medicine for, for the people. and how do you think it's all going to play out with the i m f, negotiations. john, as well as countries like india and china, who have the top in a way are provided loans to mr lanka. up at this point in india, in particular has been very generous lanka. it has given about $3500000000.00 over the last several months to us in credit lines. and it is the ending of that credit line that has created this enormous fuel crisis in our country. the i m. s. a negotiations and a plan that and action that sheila will have to take off that will be very difficult ones to take. and that is why we need a government that people can trust that people can trust and which can go to the people and explain to them because they have a lot of major reforms needed funding. so job public service is 1000000 strong big. the armed forces is 1400000 for a population of 22000000. defense budget is 15 percent. i mean double that of health and education combined. i think so that there's a need for those type of reform and that can be done, but which will be difficult. and we do need very current this government boys, government. but you have to think more of the country than of themselves and their own futures and be trusted by the people. yeah, that is the key thing to gain. trust. once again, kabir and your opinion, what are the most immediate steps that need to be taken in order to leave the pressure off the suffering of the people? people believe that the shortage of oil and gas petroleum products are the key problem, but that's gonna be a symptom of the, maybe the main issue for them to the lack of dollars money or any of this. so i need to do a ways to do the restructuring process as fast as possible by in the timelines. you should be able to get the executive board to extend a fun facility, which is about $3000000000.00 before the end of these yet. then go for the finance instrument and then for the interview we need to find funding as bridging finance. so c longer managed. if you do that, and if you do, if you go into the restructuring confidence and then she'll start using out of the of them. so that, that is the key because the also talking about since you raised about the poor, the steady commission by phone. so we'll support us with cast strong list of the orders of the world. because you can do without that you need to help them because then very well, 40 percent off on the line. so we will also be have to do some cash transformations by. busy fuss, so this means talking the noise government has to start. exactly. that's going to finish in 3 months or 6 months. it'll take some time. but we are taking the right message that's critical. talking to the people is very important. i think she lanka and we have the resources. ok. harsh on a final words to you. i mean we're talking about how to gain trust of the people of your lanka, but how does the country begin to win back to be international credibility and trust? i mean, international credibility as the lowest. now again, as probably put together that i know shortcuts really pretty abilities what openness, accountability, and billing as a non line nation, without selling our sales to just one country with a china are the ones. and we have to build up that quantities and all this will start only after a fresh election with a new parliament. right now, this poly one does not trusted, not believed. and i'm sure in another election, most of these members will be, wouldn't be return to the parliament by the public. you have to wait and see. so trust building 1st is locally, the people must trust that government and wants to stop trusting the government. people in the work economy will function. and of course we have to guide is correct without really going to be the public here. international community is not going to consider any government here as eligible for the sake and then let me just jump in there. we have 30 seconds remaining. one last question to you in fact, and that's on the issue of accountability. how do the people of your lanka get accountability from their leaders? so if i accountability has been focus done on the issue of what happened during the war, human rights accountability, what kinds issues. but now we also have to deal with accountability issues relating to economic kinds running down the economy, robbery, corruption. so i think people are no more prepared for that. and in terms of it's nick conflict, this crisis has actually brought all our people together, right on the streets. hamilton was slim and, and they said we will not be deceived again by leaders will try to divide us in order to get out. ok, thank you. so much i have to leave it there on that. no, thanks for joining us, kabir hash, and your hon. perrera on her shawna. no, no, you're kara. thank you for watching. you can see the program again. anytime by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com, and for further discussion, you can always go to our facebook page on facebook dot com, forward slash ha inside story. from the conversation on twitter handle is a inside story for myself and the whole team of bye for now the ah. for over 15 years i've clover the i'm conflict that natural disasters end up political upheaval in the 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