like the uk are going to try and make policies like the rwanda scheme work in the coming years, decades, generation, and therefore the government should be trying to get this over the line even if it doesn't work in the short term? and that maybe future governments of whatever political stripe are going to have to think radically and do things at the moment that might not be palatable to a lot of people. mary? well, i'm not sure i agree with your thought experiment. i mean, i think this is a policy that is entirely self—constructed by the conservatives. it's unworkable, it's wildly expensive. it's already cost the taxpayer £400 million. and not a single person has gone on a plane to rwanda. and it's been chucked out by our supreme court. so ijust don't see where this goes. i think this was seen as a sort of clever dividing line with the labour party. and, you know, we've now discovered that rishi sunak raised concerns about the costs of the policy when he was chancellor.