but we, a few years ago, brought a case against a different platform, saying that let's start treating these as just basic products. let's look at them as... you know, if somebody gets injured, let's look at if there was a defect in the design or the coding that made this harm happen. as soon as the platform realised that this is how it was being used, then it had the duty to innovate. whether through age verification or some other means, they needed to fix their product. leif brooks is the ceo and founder of omegle. he launched it when he was just 18 years old. mr brooks has repeatedly ignored calls for changes to his site from child protection agencies, including at the united nations. i've asked leif brooks for an interview multiple times in the past two years. he's never accepted. so we travelled to florida to try to speak to him directly. mr brooks.