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CNN Anderson Cooper 360 April 7, 2012



was there with him. my uncle is an emt and retired. i went throughout the building complex saying to get out and we have to get away. a lot of people were home. the pilot may have said to the witnesses on the scene that he was sorry he crashed into the home. was it anything like that? >> he was walking to the pilot. he said to my uncle. yes, i did hear that. >> matthew edwards joining us as an eyewitness to the scene. barbara star is standing by and what's the latest from the pentagon on what happened and how this happened? >> we told them a good part of the day happened when this training flight took off from the naval air station. a two-seater f 18. by all accounts it ran into trouble. it crashed into this apartment building about two miles from the runway. the assumption is it did not achieve altitude before the pilots realized they were in trouble, forcing them into an injection. a low altitude and pilots as we talked about were trained to try to steer the plane away from populated areas. they may not have had any choice. we had reports that fuel was coming out of the plane and the initial indications from the navy are that that was not dumping, but rather part of what this catastrophic mall function may have been that led to the fu fuel. this was a catastrophic malfunction and the data recorder will be looking to pick up the debris from this. they can look at it and analyze what happened. that is about the fuel being released from the plane beforehand. the fuel was being dumped and the impact was not as critical. this is the lake up of the plane. >> these are very initial reports and they don't seem to think it was necessarily what you and i would call a pilot dumping feel for safety reasons, but part of the malfunction. it's very early on and they will be investigating and trying to determine what happened. the fact is this it crashed less than two miles from the runw. it's the clearest indication that it ran into trouble and we were not able to achieve significant altitude. >> any credence to that they will be able to try to bring it down? >> the ocean is quite close down and pilots would be trained to go away from the areas and they would tell you in these circumstances they will do everything they can to not hit civilian areas. they will put the plane in the water and try to check before they run the risk of sitting civilians. this is the last thing that any u.s. military would want to do. the fact that they were not able to steer it away and not able to make it to water is another indication of how quickly this unfold and how very catastrophic it was so quickly. >> there was a report i heard as this was developing that the seat, the ejector seat was found at a location that seemed to indicate preliminarily that that pilot may have stay with that plane as long as possible. really until just about the crash zone. is there credence to that? >> they will look at that. they will talk to both the crew members to get the detail about the timeline of all of this. if a pilot and a u.s. navy pilot thought he could not avoid the area, it's very safe to say he would stay with the plane as long as he or she could to try to do whatever they could and come to a point where there would be no choice but to eject. that is what they did. there has been discussion and the navy confirmed there was one so-called student pilot on board and experienced instructor. what was his plan doing? they were practicing the equivalent of carrier landings. character landings on land, but even a student pilot that would be in a navy f-18 would be a highly qualified, highly trained person working with a pilot on the landings. if that is something they are discussing, that would suggest his or her condition is good at this point. >> you saw that the pilot apologized for hitting the apartment building. at this point it may change through the night still. both of the pilots are okay. one released and one still being treated. still let's be very clear here. emergency service are continuing to search the wreckage and the buildings. there mixed reports and mixed numbers about whether or not there may still be people on the ground missing. there residents that clearly may be away from the homes. they are walking through and trying to track down apartment by apartment who lived there and how many people lived there and trying to make sure they know where they are and they are safe. everyone is hopeful. there is the final count that is holding their breath to see what the final situation is on the number of people on the ground. >> don't go anywhere. i have another question for you. i want to jump in with someone who does live there. matthew is an eyewitness. can you hear me? >> i can. >> i want to ask you about those who may be unaccounted for at this time. do you know emergency services continued to comb through the area going through the burning embers and every spot they can in the residents. do you know anything about who is unaccounted for? do you have an idea of who is left to be found? >> i have sort of an idea. we were speaking with the general manager and doing a count of all of the neighbors. all of my neighbors and the neighbors from the crash are pretty much accounted for. an older late that i didn't hear about. but i'm sure she is okay because she was not home at the time. i believe everybody got out. the only people and the things that were hurt are animals and buildings. >> we were looking at pictures a moment ago of what seemed like civilians and residents running in to help and pull water hoses for firefighters. can you me about the effort to help with the bystanders? >> i put my hand on the hose and the firefighter asked me to help out. it was amazing to see them around and the firefighters said one thing. pulling hoses and bringing blocks and whatever. >> the emergency services will be going through the night. does it seem organize and is it cordoned off? >> very organized. i haven't seen this much police presence and rescue squads and fire department in my life. i lived here 30 something years and i am used to it. you hear about them and when one is in your back yard, a lost heat. i have at least six who may be accounted for. at least 30. thank you for your time and perspective on this. >> thank you. the pilots really did their job. >> thank you as well. you will update us as you find new informations well. >> you bet. >> up next, today's tepid job numbers and the fallout that that could cause for president obama as he heads into full campaign mode for the fall. the unemployment rate fell to 8.2%. president obama doing his very, very best to put a spin on this. a positive one. he admitts the economy has a long way to go. >> we learned the economy added 212,000 private sector jobs after losing 8 million jobs, we added more than three million jobs over the past 22 months. our businesses just added 233,000 jobs last month. for a total of feeler four million new jobs over the last two years. more company are choosing to bring jobs back and invest in america. >> manufacturers are hiring again. >> we have seen signs our economy is creating jobs at a faster rate. >> the economy is getting stronger. the economy is agreeing stronger. >> we are heading in the right direction and we won't let up. >> republicans are using the numbers to slam president obama's record. mitt romney said this. it is increasingly clear the obama economy is not working and after three years in office the president's excuses have run out. let's bring in the contributor to answer tough questions about this. what is mitt romney saying that? >> losing 3/4 of a million. i'm a big believer that the economy is good. i don't think people like to hear that. i think the numbers last month were very good either. think the president needs to talk more about the middle class and how he is not satisfied with the pace and why he has a bill that will do nothing for congress and things like that. i don't think 120,000 is a good number and 220,000 is a good number when you put it in context. >> you are the guy who calls yourself the professional democrat and if you are not able to put a positive spin on it, how can the campaign? >> i don't know that the campaign has to. >> when the campaign had a large number of people who said no, they are not, if he thinks they are, he doesn't get my life and by the way, he can say romney wants to double down on the nest that got us here. i think the president can come across like he is fighting and he is unsatisfied and proposing things and the republican keeps on blocking him. that's a much better message than things getting better. that is not going to work. >> for he can harness the message, there was an article in the journal saying the republicans are going to say it has not been this bad of a recovery since the great depression. are they wrong? how does president obama take that message and make it better? it's good, but not good enough. >> it's simple. the worst recession than the one their policies cost. why would we go back? the president would be well to argue that he is working day and night to try to do this, but he is unsatisfied with the pace of this recovery and it's going to take a long time before people's incomes get back up. middle class is getting hit by a track. that needs to be acknowledged. >> when you started this interview, and 3/4 of a million jobs and that's not good either. he's the assistant to president obama's economic policy. the hold the president inherited is deep and we are making progress, but nowhere close to satisfied. at what point do you say this is 2012 and that was 2009. you get these questions all the time. when do you have to say my job can't continue to blame the administration before me. >> i don't know. first of all he is not blaming. >> i will repeat it. he said the president inherited a very deep. that's what he is talking about. not from day one. >> what he said is accurate. the other thing is, what can be pointed out, however bad and this president created more jobs and that's private sector jobs. one of the things that caused this to be horrific and the president pointed this out, we lost at least 600,000 public sector jobs since the recovery started. my point is that we should agree that this number is not good enough. that's a tepid number. >> do you think we will dip below 8% before the election? >> i don't know. the people will look and i have no idea. >> do we have to dip below? >> i look in july of 2004 and create 73,000 jobs president bush got reelected. another thing is romney is the most unpopular challenge in the history and he has to run against president obama. the number that had recession has been very, very difficult on a lot of families, particularly the middle class family. if they did not acknowledge that, he told people that you are not in touch with what's going on. >> i would love to be a fly on the wall to hear what your wife has to say. >> any night. >> take a look look. they have a lot of flyers. >> we have breaking news we want to bring you in the trayvon martin case. an eyewitness to the tragedy. we want you well let you know what she has to say about her encounter with the police that night that might surprise you. george zimmerman's legal team and our own experts that will weigh in coming up. 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>> there was two for help and the first one was a very clear, loud for help. it was the second one that stays with me. it was almost like a yelp. like a devastating desperate yell for help and couldn't have been a cry. >> did it sound like you could determine someone in his late 20s or late teens? >> from the very beginning and i feel it was beyond that young boy. >> do you mean a 17-year-old? >> yes, not knowing either person, i just kind of think there was the boy and there was the man. the boy was 17. >> knowing now what you know, go back to that night. at the time you didn't know how old anybody was. when you heart the yell, did you make a determination? >> i definitely could tell it was a younger youthful voice than the deep voice that i heart when they were arguing and i heard them outside. >> me about the argument. >> i didn't hear the words, but i could hear someone arguing and yelling and not like having a conversation. >> were they both yelling? >> i could still hear the younger person's voice, but the other was more dominant and loud. >> what was the younger voice saying and what context? >> you can still here the other person's voice, but not as much and aggressive. >> can you make out anything? >> i knew it wasn't something having a conversation. it was serious. >> it sounded like a confrontation? >> yes. >> did it sound like one was being confronted? >> i would have to say both. you heard that one louder dominant voice more than you hear the other one. >> the older person's voice or the deeper voice. >> yes. >> did you hear racial slurs in the confrontation? >> no, i did not hear any words. just arguing. >> did it sound serious enough that someone was going to get hurt? >> i knew it was something definitely wrong. of course then when i saw next the two men were on the ground. >> when you called 911, what did you tell them? >> there were two men on the ground. >> did you talk to the dispatcher at the time? >> yes, i did. >> what did they ask you and what did you tell them? >> i was watching and talking at the same time. not hearing what a gun sounds like in person, it was more of a popping noise. i think in my mind i'm thinking that they will probably have a gunshot, but you are in disthat this is happening. >> did you say i think i heard a gunshot? >> yes. >> what did the distacher ask? >> i said i hear popping noises and i think it's a gunshot. >> did the dispatcher ask for descriptions of what was going on as you were talking? >> it was more that i was describing. i'm watching a movie and telling you on the phone what i'm hearing. i even talked myself and said why am i telling him on the phone. let me put this up to the screen and he can hear it. >> sorry that what you did? >> yes. >> so the dispatcher could hear? >> yes, but i'm not sure what point i put it up. i said maybe you can hear it. >> where were you looking at the moment the gun fired? >> i was looking at the two men on the ground. >> you tell who was on the bottom? >> i know it was dark, but i would have to say i thought it was the larger person on top. >> when the gunfire went off, what happened to the larnler man on top? >> i would say a couple mnt minutes later, he was walking to where i could see him. >> at the moment the fun shot went off, what happened with the larger man? >> obviously the other man, the boy was dead and the other person got up and was walking away from the body. >> when you first saw him coming towards you, could you see blood on his face and was it light enough for to you see any blood on his face? >> it was not light enough for me to see. >> so there could have been and it's not something you could testify to? >> i could not testify. i did not see. >> did he say anything? >> there was a man that came out with a flashlight who was a resident and they possibly were saying something to each other and could not hear the words. >> your experience with the police that night, did they ask you about questions and were they interested in hearing your account? >> yes. the lead investigator came into my house with a police officer and i taped what i witnessed. >> what kind of questions did they ask you? >> just what i saw and what i heard. >> did they seem interested? were they in depth in the interview? >> i'm not sure in depth, but just that i told what i saw and heard. >> i did offer to show them where i did see the incident and they said we don't need to see it. >> they were not interested in you taking them to that location? >> they were not. >> why do you suppose they were not interested in. >> were you surprised? >> i don't know how investigators think. >> you offered to take them to the location where you saw them fighting? >> yes. >> they declined? >> yes. >> are you surprised? >> i can't answer either way. >> did you get a feeling one way or another from the investigators things they may have said in your unit as to how this unfolded? >> after i finished the taping and feeling quite upset, i expressed that and we would forget the yells for help

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