>> aaron, let's say we decide to make some sort of effort, whether it's through proxies or through ourselves, how do we know if we go on? what will victory look like? >> jeff, the removal of the asaads is only phase i. after phase i, the real struggle begins. in the end, it's about ownership. whatever this president does on syria, and i suspect he will do something, most likely, not direct attacks against leadership or military. it's not a no-fly zone. but probably the provision, for the first time in two years, of lethal assistance to rebel groups that are vetted or to the degree that we can vet them. and that is the lowest cost, lowest common denominator. >> he's talking about arming the rebels. it's not brain surgery. there is a weapons embargo on syria right now.