has harmed national security with these nsa revelations? >> al qaeda and allies now know with great exactitude of what we're doing and how we're doing it. they monitor everything we do. they could not have been aware of a number of the details that come out. that to me is putting american lives at risk. just on this alone by giving the enemy such detail about what we are doing, that enables them to adjust their strategies and tactics and that is very damaging to america. >> as far as reporters who helped reveal these programs, do you believe that something should happen to them. should they be punished, as well? >> actually, if they willingly knew that this was classified information, action should be taken, especially on something of this magnitude. i know the whole issue of leaks has been gone into, but something of this magnitude,