john boehner and the president did talk on the phone but the president according to white house officials rejected the house republican offer to tie a short-term increase in the nation's debt ceiling to future negotiations. jay carney said that would be giving in to more ransom and something interesting jay carney said during the briefing, anderson, the white house does not want a six-week like increase in the debt ceiling because they feel like that will bring this process, essentially to the point where the nation might be on the edge of default around the holiday shopping season. they don't want that. it's a critical came for the economy. you heart the president's position is basically the same. he wants clean bills to open the government and raise the nation's debt ceiling. they aren't even using the word negotiate at this point, anderson. they said they are talking and listening g listening, they are not looking for the white puff of smoke coming out of the capitol, they are looking for the white flag of surrenderer. >> jay carney using surrenderer.