dana was saying some of the so-called hell no caucus or house republicans took away the lesson that okay, we won't do this again. is that the message you got from this? because my sense is there are a lot of tea party folks think the problem is republicans who didn't stand with the hell no caucus and keep united at front. >> that was definitely the problem. republicans shooting at each other and hoping democrats with their message instead of focussing on obama care, with that being said, the tactic doesn't work if the republican party is divided. i think we shift our conversation now onto the implantation of obama care, not just the train wreck that's the website but the real numbers and problems that people are going to be facing between now and next year and focussing on those red state democrats that are going to be feeling the heat as this thing doesn't function properly. >> is it a mistake for mitch mcconnell to say a shutdown is off the table? should a shutdown be off the table? >> it's a bad negotiating tactic