because one of these zoos was already part of the breeding program, so they had been considered already when we did the basic analysis of the program to see where this male would fit in genetically. the other one was outside the program and didn't work according to the same values as we do. i mean, by not selling animals to anyone. we exchange animals for free. and we don't want to sell -- we don't want to send our animal to places where we don't know what happens to it after we have delivered it. >> what's worse that could happen to an animal, though, than being killed? i mean, you say you don't want to send to it a place you don't know what's going to happen to it. you know what's going to happen to it at year place. >> yeah, well, of course. but the most important thing for us is that an animal has to have a good life as long as it lives, be it short life or long life. it has to be a good life. if you send it to a place where you cannot take responsibility for it anymore, you risk it going to what we would call a