about the u.s. or say which you just didn't feel were based in fact and were the result of misinformation by the people giving him information. >> well, the most amusing was a private meeting he had with president bush year and probably 2005, 2006. it was right after cbs fired dan rather and he said -- president bush talked to him about press freedom. he says, well, you don't have press freedom. dan rather made you mad and you fired him. president bush said, vladimir, please don't go in front of the press corps and use that example. people will think you didn't know how america works. he works for cbs news. notwithstanding, president putin then went out to the press conference and said, you know, i -- my press is as free as yours. you fired dan rather. he's just -- he's got a set of facts and a set of grievances that he feels very deeply about that just don't reflect the reality of how things work here. >> it's interesting, jill.