and like i said, the folks on the ground here have very little idea how to respond to this. as it seems to me the international community. it's not something that really fits into any schema. >> you said it's like it's raining bodies. it's very descriptive what you said. you would step on someone's body part. we have heard reports of people looting the victims' bodies and taking pieces of the plane. but you're there. have you witnessed people doing that? >> i have not witnessed that at all. i'm not sure where the reports are coming from. i don't have access to the internet out here, as you can imagine. but from what i've seen, there -- what is surprising is how few people there are. this place is like nearly empty. like i said, there are these emergency service teams kind of clustered on the road.